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Indian made baker rifle

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Bobsen, Apr 15, 2013.

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  1. Bobsen

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    Hi it's me again
    I've been working on the baker rifle for some weeks now it arrived from India in three days posted in India on the 16 march and arrived on 18th (hardly can believe it myself.)
    Have to say whenI got it I was a little disappointed as it was not the one I saw in India and I had paid for,having said that as I wished I had my set of parts.
    I hope the photos come out ok but this is as arrived?
    I stripped the gun and found the parts reasonably well made but in need of a lot of work
    I cleaned off the finish and found a piece of teak with a walnut type colour.
    I then worked on the lock it was very heavy and soft so I polished the bridle tumbler and sear the the inside of the lock plate.
    I also filed flat the outside of the lock plate and then hardened the parts and reassembled the lock.
    I left the parts heat blued as this looked in keeping with the gun
    I then filed up the sights and took the high polish off the barrel then put the period proof marks on the breach.
    After filing the brass work to fit to the wood I polished it to a bright but not over polished finish.
    I removed some wood from the wrist area as this was far to chunky and refitted the trigger guard and brass oval I also fitted a small spring to the ramrod channel to hold the thing in place. I did this by soldering a brass clip to the trigger guard front finial and secured a small bent spring by friction into the clip
    This when the guard is in place puts the spring in the end of the ramrod channel
    and holds the ramrod in place by friction.
    I've tried to attach a number of photos but I can only attach one try any more and it knocks the previous one out so I will post them individually hope it works
    I'll put some more detail up tomorrow.
    Thanks for now
     

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  2. Bobsen

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    Lock as arrived
     

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  3. Bobsen

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    Baker rifle

    Lock after re working
     

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    Baker rifle

    Brass work back on the gun
     

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  5. Bobsen

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    Wood work

    Finished wood work
     

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    Marks

    Proof marks
     

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    Lock finished and back on the gun
     

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  8. Cosmoline

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    Sharpe looking rifle!
     
  9. GCBurner

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    Looks nice. Where did you get stamps for the period proofs?
     
  10. Bobsen

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    Proof marks

    Hi they came from Track of the wolf and cost about 35 usd each plus post to UK
    But worth it I think
    Hope that helps
    Rgds Bob
     
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    Nearly finished

    Photo with the barrel in place
     

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    The picture of the gun as you received it shows a rough as heck lock and trigger. You sure did a good job cleaning them up.
     
  13. Bobsen

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    Sure was a lot of filing to get the cock looking more like the real thing
    I'm glad you like it many thanks for the kind remarks
     
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    Looks very nice after the rework.


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  15. Acorn Mush

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    VERY well done. You certainly have every right to be proud of the results you achieved.
     
  16. Bobsen

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    Hi all
    A bit more on the rebuild, after i cleaned off the wood I gave it a light stain with american walnut mixed with a little rosé wood stain left it to dry for twenty four hrs and sealed it with pure shellac then built the finish up with a London gun stock oil twice a day for a week left it to harden for a few days and then cut back with fine wire wool and then gave it a final coat of oil hand rubbed until it got warm under my hand and felt dry not the best job I've ever done but a nice antique look .
    One thing i was disappointed about was the barrel finish.
    first I built an humidity chamber
    By getting some 5"cardboard tube the stuff they put a carpet roll on and cut it into a sixty inch length I then made a disk that fitted inside the tube out off plywood cut a central hole to take a plastic coffee cup from a vending machine and a few ventilation holes around the rim
    Pushed this up the tube to leave room at the bottom for a forty watt electric tube heater
    Stood this contraption on end and poured some water down the tube into the cup and turned on the heater
    I then cleaned the barrel and degreased it applied the browning solution and put the barrel into the tube suspended from the top by string through the centre of the lid placed the heater under the cup of water and turned on.
    After two days the barrel was looking a mess so cleaned it with oil and fine wire wool only to find the barrel had turned a nice grey colour so I left it as it was in keeping with the look (see photo of the proof marks for an idea of the look???)
    I've now ordered some birch wood casey plum brown to see if that works
    I will explain anything about the build should anyone have any questions be, right pleased too. Many thanks for looking hope you find it interesting
     

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    :banghead::banghead::banghead:One other thing I would like some help on
    Hardening the frizzen I've tried to harden this three times and each time this face lasted for a couple of goes
    This is what I did
    Cleaned and polished the frizzen heated to bright red with a gas blow torch and buried it in the hardening compound until it cooled took it out and reheated to bright red burning off the coating.
    That's what I did three times but still not worked so any help would be appreciated
    The only other thing I can think of is to find some one how can do it in an oven ?
    Cheers Bob
     
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    Does Track carry hardened frizzens? If not, The Rifle Shoppe will certainly have them. Judging by the lovely results you've already achieved, you should have no trouble fitting one.
     
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    Did you quench it in cold water after the second heating? It's the quench that hardens the surface, just letting it air cool anneals the steel, leaving it soft.
    http://www.gunreports.com/special_r...-american-gunsmith-Annealing-steel1750-1.html
     
  20. Bobsen

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    Case hardening

    Thank you for the info
    I tried as it said and used water but having read the article I can see it might take a few more goes, the other thing I got wrong was shaking off the kasenite when removing it from the tin thinking I was saving some hardening compound for another day.
    I will try again this time leaving the build up on the part and burning off when reheating the frizzen.
    Once again thanks for you're help
    Bob
     
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    Another option for hardening a frizzen is to rivet a piece of saw blade to the face and then harden it. The steel in a good sawblade in much better than what appears to be on your frizzen. It is not an easy job but it produces excellent results.
     
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  23. Bobsen

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    Baker rifle

    I've tried to photo the gun to show it finished the aim was to replicate a two hundred year old gun not recreate a new rifle
    I don't wish to fool anyone but if a cant afford to buy the real deal I tend to make it.
    I hope you get some useful inspiration and ideas if I can help anyone just ask
    And thanks for all your help and nice comments
    Rgds Bob
     

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  25. Jim Watson

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    Very handsome.
    Does that make the Indian rifle a Hinduityourself kit?
     
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