Indiana: "Armed activist testing gun ban"

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http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/9/046938-2359-009.html
Armed activist testing gun ban

Trial in Danville is high noon for man who says local laws violate arms rights.

By Tim Evans
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May 30, 2003

When he leaves his Plainfield home, Will Hutchens carries a copy of the U.S. Constitution in his pocket and a pistol in his waistband.

It's a combination that could cost him $1,000.

As the Indy 1500 Gun & Knife Show opens at the Indiana State Fairgrounds today, Hutchens will go on trial in Hendricks Superior Court III in Danville, charged with violating a county ordinance prohibiting weapons in county-owned buildings.

In what is believed to be the first such challenge in the state, Hutchens, 55, contends the ordinance violates state and federal laws that guarantee his right to bear arms.

But legal experts say Hutchens' argument misses the mark on both the state and federal levels.

"There are limits on all of our constitutional rights, mostly for reasons of public safety, and I believe there is inherent authority in Indiana law to place these kinds of limits," said Porter Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Thode, who chairs the Indiana Judicial Center's court management committee.

Similar bans have come under fire or been overturned in a number of states, most recently Minnesota and New Mexico, where legislatures adopted rules prohibiting local entities from creating any laws more restrictive than the state's.

Dave Workman, director of communications for the Belleview, Wash.-based Citizens Committee For the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and senior editor for Gun Week magazine, said 35 states have such laws, which make gun regulation simpler and prevent local governments from adopting unreasonable rules.

"Legally licensed gun owners should not be faced with the prospect of being in violation of laws when they cross the road and end up in a different jurisdiction with different rules," he said.

But Indiana doesn't have a so-called pre-emption law, and that's an important distinction in Hutchens' case, experts say.

Greg Steuerwald, the Hendricks County attorney who will prosecute the case, said weapons bans in public buildings "are a very, very common situation" in Indiana and most other states.

More than half of Indiana's 92 counties have a county ordinance or judicial order -- or both -- limiting weapons in courtrooms and courthouses, according to Robert Champion, security adviser for the Indiana Judicial Center.

Thode's committee is also developing a statewide standard for court safety that includes a limit on weapons in courtrooms.

Many of the existing ordinances have been adopted since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Champion said.

Hutchens, who is certified as a 4-H pistol and Indiana Department of Natural Resources hunting safety instructor and is licensed to carry a concealed weapon, says such bans are part of a trend of increasing restrictions on gun owners.

The Hendricks County ordinance was adopted in 1992, but he decided to mount his challenge -- by deliberately violating the ordinance -- in February after Plainfield officials banned weapons in town parks.

Getting arrested, however, proved harder than expected.

On Feb. 1, he went to a Plainfield park and called police, telling them he had a gun and requesting that they issue him a citation.

The officers who responded declined, he said, saying they had not yet been trained in enforcement of the new ban.

Three days later, he decided to try the county.

"I went to the courthouse in Danville and stopped a deputy and said, 'I've got a gun and you've got an ordinance,' " he said. "Then I asked him to write me a citation so I could get my challenge into court."

Now that it's there, experts and gun-rights activists say they don't expect Hutchens' challenge to go far.

"The record on being able to ban weapons in public places is pretty well-established in Indiana," said John Krull, executive director of the Indiana Civil Liberties Union.

"Even the broadest interpretation of the Second Amendment allows for reasonable regulation," added Henry C. Karlson, professor of law at the Indiana University School of Law.

The National Rifle Association isn't on board with Hutchens, either.

John Crone, Indiana field representative to the NRA, said the group "supports the legal, lawful, rightful ownership of firearms.

And if there a law that says you can't take them in there, you shouldn't take them in."

Still, Hutchens is standing firm in his beliefs.

He has spent hours at the Plainfield Public Library, reading books on the Constitution, history and the law as he prepares to represent himself in court today.

"This is an issue of my citizenship and basic rights," he said.

He doesn't relish the prospect of being found guilty of the misdemeanor offense.

But Hutchens is more afraid of what could happen if the ban -- which he sees as another step in a growing erosion of constitutional rights -- is allowed to go unchecked.

If he loses today, he said, he is willing to appeal the case to the state Supreme Court.

"If they can do this, what's next? Banning guns on public streets and roads? Pretty soon the only place I will be allowed to have my gun is in my home," he said.

"Somebody has to do something."

Copyright 2003 IndyStar.com.
 
Pity ... I'm on three month notice for Hendricks County jury duty but I wasn't called for this case. I wouldn't have made it through their selection process anyway. Not even sure it's a jury trial.

*sigh*
 
Indiana does in fact have a preemption law.

Sec. 2. Notwithstanding IC 36-1-3, a unit may not regulate in any manner the ownership, possession, sale, transfer, or transportation of firearms (as defined in IC 35-47-1-5) or ammunition except as follows:
(1) This chapter does not apply to land, buildings, or other real property owned or administered by a unit, except highways (as defined in IC 8-23-1-23) or public highways (as defined in IC 8-2.1-17-14).
(2) Notwithstanding the limitation in this section, a unit may use the unit's planning and zoning powers under IC 36-7-4 to prohibit the sale of firearms within two hundred (200) feet of a school by a person having a business that did not sell firearms within two hundred (200) feet of a school before April 1, 1994.
(3) Notwithstanding the limitation in this section, a legislative body of a unit other than a township may adopt an emergency ordinance or a unit other than a township may take other action allowed under section 6 of this chapter to regulate the sale of firearms anywhere within the unit for a period of not more than seventy-two (72) hours after the regulatory action takes effect.

However, it appears to give an exception to units of government in regards to their buildings.
 
"I went to the courthouse in Danville and stopped a deputy and said, 'I've got a gun and you've got an ordinance,' " he said. "Then I asked him to write me a citation so I could get my challenge into court."
I'm impressed. This guy is going about this in exactly the right way. He is not making a scene or appearing like some rageaholic with a gun. He is simply taking the necessary steps to have his say in court. Good luck to him.
 
Question for our CA, NJ, and MA resisidents,
On Feb. 1, he went to a Plainfield park and called police, telling them he had a gun and requesting that they issue him a citation
The officers who responded declined
"I went to the courthouse in Danville and stopped a deputy and said, 'I've got a gun and you've got an ordinance,'
Is it this hard to get arrested for carrying a gun where you live? :D :D
 
The National Rifle Association isn't on board with Hutchens, either.

John Crone, Indiana field representative to the NRA, said the group "supports the legal, lawful, rightful ownership of firearms.

The NRA knows that there is NO MONEY in supporting an expansion of RKBA in America. NRA-ILA contributors would not contribute a dime to its 2004 Election Campaign fund if the nation's courts have all deemed that the RKBA is a right of the individual, and not subject to prior-restraint laws.
 
John Crone, Indiana field representative to the NRA, said the group "supports the legal, lawful, rightful ownership of firearms.

And if there a law that says you can't take them in there, you shouldn't take them in."
Hmmm, so where's cutoff here for the NRA regarding laws that restrict firearms from various places? Mr. Crone's statement could be applied to any law restricting firearms from a given location. It's fine to support the legal and lawful ownership of firearms (he didn't mention the bearing of such arms), but what of the ever-increasing restrictions that continually shrink the realm of legal and lawful ownership and actions with firearms? A line has to be drawn somewhere, and I guess the law that Mr. Hutchens is challenging is on the "acceptable" side of the line that the NRA has drawn.
 
Regardless of whether or not I agree with this guy's position, it doesn't change the fact that he's an idjit. Throwing yourself on the mercy of the court in order to prove a point rarely, if ever works. I doubt that it'll work in this instance.

The really bad part is that the guy thinks that just because he's read a few books that he's now as smart as a lawyer and has decided to represent himself.
Way to go, dimwit.

This would be amusing, except for the fact that once he loses his case (and he will) the outcome of future cases may very well use the precedent set by him.

This guy is well intentioned, but will end up doing more to hurt the RKBA than to help it.:banghead:
 
Question for our CA, NJ, and MA resisidents,
Is it this hard to get arrested for carrying a gun where you live?

Well, given that it's a 15 year in the slammer FELONY, as opposed to a $1000 misdemeanor, it aint gonna be me who's gonna try it.

I guess some one, somewhere will read this and think

"See! The law really does work! It really prevented that one law abiding citizen from entering a building with a weapon!"

duuuuh.
 
Aside from the article being riddled with errors regarding Indiana law (preemption, ordinances are not crimes, etc.), just what does he hope to accomplish?

If the ordinance is vacated (which it will not be), the judicial order is still in place. A judicial order which can send you to jail, not simply fine you.
 
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