Infuriating bliss-ninny.....

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If my rule is that my child does not play with kids where alcohol is in the house then it's how I decide to parent. If their rule is no weapons, toy or not, then it's their rule and how they decide to parent and as valid as mine.

Where does my belief and acceptance in the right to use firearms in selfdefense allow me to trump another parent's way of raising their child?
 
You raise your kids however ya want, no one is arguing against that.

The problem lies with people in authoratative positions spewing BS like it is gospel. The way the rob our progeny of their rights and brainwash them to their way of thinking.

My big problem is with the liberals who don't use their heads. These people really need to stop "feeling" and start thinking. Actually, they can do whatever it is they like, the problem comes in when they are the ones teaching that crap to my kids. I don't see how this next generation stands a chance without very active parents. Tptb want them to all grow up sucking the govt tit, believing that homosexuality is just another livestyle and there is nothing wrong with it, that the only rights you have are the ones granted by the state, that you are not responsible for your actions or safety ... (I better stop here I guess)
 
It is equally valid to demand that the household your child visits be prepared to defend their young guest. Remember Polly Klasse. She was peacefully sleeping with a visiting playmate when she was taken by a home invader. It could have easily been her guest that was taken.
In either case, the parenting behavior level is extremely controlling of other adults. I am reminded of one of my relatives who champions the right of young cattle to be treated well. We were sitting in a good restaurant when she threatened to vomit on the table if any one ordered a veal dish. Now that is controlling behavior.
The Sheeple demand an inventory of your possesions or they will slander you to their kids and ruin your kids social life. It seems equally wrong to order all other families to submit to your will on gun control as it would to order all other diners to submit their orders to you for approval.
 
wingnutx said:
Even my bleeding-heart liberal sister finally relented and lets her kids play with fake guns, after she realized that she couldn't stop them from pointing a bent stick and yelling *bang*

She tried for a while.

She used to be into shooting herself, until she became a public school teacher and the union implanted their chip in her head.
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ha ha...my wife is a teacher...fortunately I make microchips for a living so I have been reworking hers the last 5 years.
 
EghtySx said:
… [They] want them to all grow up sucking the govt tit.…
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Actually, you should have stopped here.

Anyway, the monumental hypocrisy required for me to implement a no-toy-weapons rule is simply too difficult to contemplate.

~G. Fink
 
hso has an absolutely valid point. If Ms. Blissninny & her husband set a rule for their children, they are absolutely within their parental rights to enforce that rule.

But if Ms. Blissninny asks me about it, well ...

Two of my kids' friends' moms have asked me about guns like that. The first one was particularly interesting, as we were just getting to know the other family.

We were at the lake visiting one summer afternoon when the subject came up. I don't remember the beginning of the conversation, but I woke up when she asked, with brittle voice and obviously forced casualness, "Oh? You have guns in your home? What do you do about safety?"

I drew a deep breath and said, "Yes, we have guns. The kids have learned how to shoot safely and they all know the safety rules. In fact ..." -- I snagged one of my kids as he ran past, one of the smaller ones -- "son, can you tell Ms. Ninny the rules about guns?"

Kid barely slowed down. "Stopdon'ttouchleavetheareatellanadultcanIgoplaynow?"

I said, "Not so fast. Can you tell me what they mean?"

Deep, put-upon sigh. "Yes, mom. If I see a gun even if I'm not sure if it's a toy or if it might be a real gun, I stop. I don't touch it and I don't let any little kids touch it. And I tell an adult so the adult can put it away."

"What if you really want to touch it, or if you're with a friend who really wants to touch it?"

"Well, then I stop and don't touch it, but when we tell the adult we can ask to touch it and if it's you or dad then you will make sure it's safe and then we can. So that's what I tell my friend, that we'll get in trouble if we don't ask but the answer is yes if we do ask. So we gotta ask. And we don't touch unless an adult is there and has gotten the gun unloaded and safe."

I asked, "Okay. What are the rules for safely handling a gun?"

Kid rattled off the four rules, including explaining how to figure out which direction is safe, and explained that he probably wouldn't be able to check for himself to see if the gun was empty because he still couldn't draw the slide back on most handguns, but it didn't matter because "you have to treat them like they're loaded anyway, you know."

Woman's mouth sagged open, I let the kid run off, and shortly thereafter she and I set up a time for both families to get together at the range for a kids' safety day. :) And great fun was had by all.

pax
 
If my rule is that my child does not play with kids where alcohol is in the house then it's how I decide to parent. If their rule is no weapons, toy or not, then it's their rule and how they decide to parent and as valid as mine.

Where does my belief and acceptance in the right to use firearms in self defense allow me to trump another parent's way of raising their child?
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When the neighbor kid who is visiting yours picks up your HD gun unbeknownst to your kid, and not knowing anything about it, points it at your kid. A basic level of personal responsibility should be taught to every kid, but many don't learn it, because they as being raised by people who never learned it, thanks to Dr. (not Mr.) Spock.:fire:

As for your limiting your kids to playing with friends whose parents don't drink, here in WI, mine would be very, very lonely. Note: I do not drink, and a four-pack of wine coolers lasts my wife all year.
 
entropy,

You've misread, I didn't say that "I" have this rule about alcohol. It's an illustration of a rule by parents that everyone would grasp. In addition, you can't ever assume that anyone coming into your home has any training on firearms safety. All my daughter's little friends are treated as if they don't know anything about guns (just like they are treated like they don't know anything about playing around the lake edge) until proven otherwise. Since you can't know, or know how well, some kid has been trained on what to do in the presence of a fire arm then it is the parent's responsibility to make sure that there's nothing laying around for them to get ahold of. Lock it up or secure it on your person. There is no excuse for doing otherwise unless you absolutely know that the person that has come into your house knows and abides by the firearms safety rules (adults included).
 
Ok I'm gonna be unpopular again assuming that we are talking about a kid as young as the article would seem to imply and
He always seems to be in the front yard shooting cans with his BB gun,
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brags that his father has rifles in the house
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my young child would not be allowed to play in this irresponsible house, at the very least until I had a Paxlike conversation with parent

If he is shooting unsupervised in the front yard and has not been taught not to tell everybody about household guns then I must assume that he has not been taught basic safety and has an inattentive parent.

If a parent came and asked me about guns in my house I would be as honest as I had to be, if I wanted my child to have friends over.
I wouldn't tell about the gun safe but I would acknowledge that there was a gun in the house although I usually only admit to the one I carry in my car when I'm not home and the non functioning or BP wallhangers.

If the doctor came over I would tell her the same and I doubt seriously that her kid would be allowed,by her, to come over


If her advice was on any thing else that could be abused and cause harm I think we would agree wholeheartedly with her instructions
 
armoredman said:
I am taking the LT test in July....trying to sumpin'?:p
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;)

At the risk of drifting off topic too much. We had a saying. When you make lieutenant, they take away both testicles and half your brain. When you make captain, they give you one testicle back.

The mere fact that you are on THR lends credence that you are not the 'typical administrator', and are a bit of a cut above. I hope you get it!

Good luck!
 
Many families do not allow their children to play with toy weapons, as the parents believe that these toys are “gateways” to the real McCoy,
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Yikes! Now I know why I'm addicted to firearms. It's my parent's fault on account of all those cap guns, bb guns and the like they gave me.

Thanks, doc. :p :barf:
 
Neighbor:"Do you have guns in your house?"
Me:"why, do you need one?""I'll be right over for back -up."
N:"no,I mean,we don't believe in guns."
Me:"oh,so youn don't have any guns in your house?"
N:"of course not!"
Me:"well,as you don't seem to care about the safety of children in this day of abductions and home invasions,my kids won't be playing at your house.Thanks for calling.";)
 
You know, I was in agreement with the article, in general, right up until the very end when it implied that there was something wrong for playing with toy guns. I mean, in general, it's decent advice. Set rules for your children. Compromise on the rules when appropriate, but also stand firm on the rules.

To be honest, I'm even okay with the part about the child going to play at a friend's house, making sure the firearms are secured. A neighbor knew I was involved in law enforcement, simply asked two questions:

1. Got a gun at your house?
2. Keep it where the kids can't get at it?

I wasn't insulted. I found it appropriate, and also the sign of a responsible parent. I've been involved in too many accidental shootings to believe that you can assume all people safely store their firearms, or teach their children appropriate firearms related behaviors.

AS for the toy guns...don't get me started. Of course, I bought my 2 year old a light saber for his birthday. :neener:
 
My answer to the follow up question would be "Well, it depends. Are your kids experienced welders?"
 
106rr said:
It is equally valid to demand that the household your child visits be prepared to defend their young guest. Remember Polly Klasse. She was peacefully sleeping with a visiting playmate when she was taken by a home invader. It could have easily been her guest that was taken.
In either case, the parenting behavior level is extremely controlling of other adults. I am reminded of one of my relatives who champions the right of young cattle to be treated well. We were sitting in a good restaurant when she threatened to vomit on the table if any one ordered a veal dish. Now that is controlling behavior.
The Sheeple demand an inventory of your possesions or they will slander you to their kids and ruin your kids social life. It seems equally wrong to order all other families to submit to your will on gun control as it would to order all other diners to submit their orders to you for approval.
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LoL. After that, I'd have to order the veal cordon bleu, a new tablecloth, and a glass of water for the misses. :evil:
 
Funny, I had a pair of ivory-plastic handled capguns when I was very small, then all the Parris toy wood and metal rifles...the Kentucky, the bolt-action complete with a fake wooden round in the chamber, the double-barrel, the flintlock...

Let's see, also a watergun tommy-gun, Lazer Tag, what looked something like a 9mm carbine that made bang and ricochet sound effects... even a really nice full-sized police S&W capgun revolver in black with a wood grip.

And despite years of running around playing "war" with other little kids, I turned out normal and never shot up my high school. Why? Because I have GOOD PARENTS who taught me the difference between play and reality, and a father who taught me respect for the real thing and how to handle them properly.

Parents who don't bother teaching their kids anything, and who simply try to train them to be good little victims, are the ones who are ultimately responsible for kids that turn out "wrong", I think.
 
TonyB said:
Neighbor:"Do you have guns in your house?"
Me:"why, do you need one?""I'll be right over for back -up."
N:"no,I mean,we don't believe in guns."
Me:"oh,so youn don't have any guns in your house?"
N:"of course not!"
Me:"well,as you don't seem to care about the safety of children in this day of abductions and home invasions,my kids won't be playing at your house.Thanks for calling.";)
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My answer to people who say that they "don't believe in guns" is to suggest that if a criminal points one at you, disbelieving that it's there isn't going to make it go away...only one of your own fired first will do that. :D
 
Wow. Just think, if everyone raises their kids to fear guns like that, one day we'll either all be speaking Chinese, or praying to Mecca in the east. Sad. Very very sad that there are people out there like that.
 
Many families do not allow their children to play with toy weapons, as the parents believe that these toys are “gateways” to the real McCoy,
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Ironically, my mother has told me that she thinks I became interested in guns because she didn't let me play with them as a kid.
 
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