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I can tell you from personal experience that changing springs will have significant effect on trigger pull , also that polishing contact surfaces (done by someone more qualified than me) has significant effect.
I know these things to be factually true.
Guns are mass produced machines. There is great variation between individual specimens, and there is room and opportunity for significant improvement by implementing good and proper gunsmithing techniques.

Now , what were we talking about again???
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Carry revolver options for your wife.
I was asking if you reloaded and how your wife is planning to conceal/carry. Also, are the two of you settled on a new revolver or is an older one in excellent condition an option? Those are three important considerations. ATB
 
Also, are the two of you settled on a new revolver or is an older one in excellent condition an option?
I am open to the possibility of an older revolver.
Colt Detective Special ? Lots of those floating around.

You may want to have her take a look at the Taurus 692. 9mm and .357 interchangeable cylinders.
I was not aware of that particular Taurus until you brought it up. 7 rounds of mild recoiling 9mm sounds very interesting.

As to an LCR .22 ... I thought about that a lot , but I am very concerned about the "stopping power" based on many credible seemingly sources.
 
I was not aware of that particular Taurus until you brought it up. 7 rounds of mild recoiling 9mm sounds very interesting.
As to an LCR .22 ... I thought about that a lot , but I am very concerned about the "stopping power" based on many credible seemingly sources.
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Six .22LR in rapid succession in the right spot is not something any sane person wants to deal with. However, I'm not sure your wife can be guaranteed she will be dealing with A) a sane person or that she will B) have the opportunity to deliver six rounds to "the right spot." My wife used to carry an NAA Mini revolver in .22WMRF in her pocketbook. When she had to walk past a bad area near our condo she took it out of the pocketbook and carried it in her hand. It is so small and unobtrusive, it is doubtful anyone saw it or if it registered as a firearm. Do I recommend that? No. Did I think it was a good idea at the time? Not really but she had confidence in her ability to defend herself that way so, I prayed and trusted in her instincts. Do I recommend a .22 of any kind for your wife. No. Not at all.

It sounds to me like a .32S&W Long loaded to the maximum of that cartridge's abilities, or better yet a .32H&R Magnum in a factory loading, would be the minimum (the old Colt's New Police load or the new Buffalo Bore defense loads as examples). A Colt Pocket Positive chambered in “.32 Police” can be easily carried and easily concealed but, now you're talking about a very expensive and possibly 70-100 year old piece of hardware - yes, they were well-made and well-built but 100 years is a LONG TIME for a small revolver to be around. There are newer revolvers for that load.

John Taffin wrote a sensible and typically well-thought-out article some years back on the Long/NP as a defensive load in the Pocket and Police frame Colts, as well as the I and J frame Smiths.

https://americanhandgunner.com/handloading/the-32-sw-long-32-colt-new-police/

That's also why I asked about handloading: the Lyman #44 Reloading Manual lists a 115-gr. WFN bullet over a maximum of 3.5 grs. of Unique for over 800fps. In a Smith & Wesson 1905 Hand Ejector (K-frame) or Colt Police Positive, that's a good defensive load; however, in the smaller I-frame or a Pocket Positive, I would have concerns about feeding a steady diet of that load. A Taurus or Charter Arms .32H&R Magnum will handle that steady diet easily.
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So why did I bring up older guns to begin with? Cost and practice. I'd like you both to consider the option of buying more than one handgun: an inexpensive older gun for target practice which is also practical to carry if need's be, and a newer revolver in a compatible caliber for regular carry and full-load practice on occasion. Nothing builds confidence like hitting the target. A lot. And often. Practicing with a light(er) but still capable load will - in my humble opinion - build that confidence. And, those older guns are just really works of art compared to the modern, mass-produced, budget carry pieces out there.
 
I am open to the possibility of an older revolver.
Colt Detective Special ? Lots of those floating around.


I was not aware of that particular Taurus until you brought it up. 7 rounds of mild recoiling 9mm sounds very interesting.

As to an LCR .22 ... I thought about that a lot , but I am very concerned about the "stopping power" based on many credible seemingly sources.
I'd highly recommend you verify the Taurus trigger as something your wife can handle my mother has a much easier time tracking the slide on the EZ shield than she did pulling the trigger on my 856, taurus triggers need some work in my experience, I also wouldn't advocate a .22 if she is totally recoil shy there are cowboy loads for .38 that would be better than the .22
 
I'd highly recommend you verify the Taurus trigger as something your wife can handle my mother has a much easier time tracking the slide on the EZ shield than she did pulling the trigger on my 856, taurus triggers need some work in my experience, I also wouldn't advocate a .22 if she is totally recoil shy there are cowboy loads for .38 that would be better than the .22
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I have to agree about Taurus triggers, in general. Every new Taurus we've owned got new spring kits and the action stoned before coming home. My wife has one of the first Taurus 731's in .32H&R - the ported barrel, SS snubby - and likes it well enough but it never replaced her Detective Special. I think porting the barrel was a mistake on Taurus' part and pretty much killed that model. I have several Model 80, 82 and 66 Taurus revolvers I bought used and only one had not been treated similarly before I got it. That situation has since been rectified...

I haven't tried an LCR so can't comment but Ruger triggers are, in general, fairly smooth and not too heavy or light from the box.
 
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I have to agree about Taurus triggers, in general. Every new Taurus we've owned got new spring kits and the action stoned before coming home. My wife has one of the first Taurus 731's in .32H&R - the ported barrel, SS snubby - and likes it well enough but it never replaced her Detective Special. I think porting the barrel was a mistake on Taurus' part and pretty much killed that model. I have several Model 80, 82 and 66 Taurus revolvers I bought used and only one had not been treated similarly before I got it. That situation has since been rectified...

I haven't tried an LCR so can't comment but Ruger triggers are, in general, fairly smooth and not too heavy or light from the box.
The Centerfire LCRs are pretty good, the rimfire ones can be as bad as a stock Taurus one, the LCR saves you on weight but if she's going to practice a crap ton all Steel is what I'd advise, the Taurus 856, Colt Cobra, Kimber K6 all 6 shot revolvers that would serve well.
 
Just this afternoon did I learn from a friend that the Taurus 85 was upgraded to 6 shots - the 856.
The shrouded extractor is a plus , 22 oz. seems like a good weight , one of the variations comes with a laser and a substantial grip.

I owned an 85 a while back ; the trigger was not S&W standard , but it wasn't terrible either. One reservation I have is that , while I know my way around the internals of a Smith revolver , the guts of a Taurus are terra incognita. Pretty easy to polish the rebound slide of a Smith and swap the rebound spring , but a Taurus ...?
 
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Just this afternoon did I learn from a friend that the Taurus 85 was upgraded to 6 shots - the 856.
The shrouded extractor is a plus , 22 oz. seems like a good weight , one of the variations comes with a laser and a substantial grip.

I owned an 85 a while back ; the trigger was not S&W standard , but it wasn't terrible either. One reservation I have is that , while I know my way around the internals of a Smith revolver , the guts of a Taurus are terra incognita. Pretty easy to polish the rebound slide of a Smith and swap the rebound spring , but a Taurus ...?
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If your list of good buddies and annual Christmas card recipients does not include a top notch gunsmith you are pursuing the wrong hobby. :p:D
 
I relied on 2 gunsmiths...
1 is preoccupied with health issues, the other- also elderly- moved to Wyoming.

I fear that real honest to goodness gunsmiths are headed towards extinction.
 
Just this afternoon did I learn from a friend that the Taurus 85 was upgraded to 6 shots - the 856.
The shrouded extractor is a plus , 22 oz. seems like a good weight , one of the variations comes with a laser and a substantial grip.

I owned an 85 a while back ; the trigger was not S&W standard , but it wasn't terrible either. One reservation I have is that , while I know my way around the internals of a Smith revolver , the guts of a Taurus are terra incognita. Pretty easy to polish the rebound slide of a Smith and swap the rebound spring , but a Taurus ...?
The taurus is a good gun, like I advised above I sold recommend the Colt or Kimber above the Taurus but the cost savings could be a major factor, I'd use a spring kit to lower the trigger pull but be forewarned that several users report light primer strikes.
 
I relied on 2 gunsmiths...
1 is preoccupied with health issues, the other- also elderly- moved to Wyoming.

I fear that real honest to goodness gunsmiths are headed towards extinction.
Sorry to hear about health issues. I fear you may be right. Then again I said the same thing about machining when the button pusher machines replaced the levers and dials - and the profession goes on. Best wishes to your gunsmith friends and good luck with the purchase decision. Remember, there’s no law saying she can only have one. Not yet.
 
Just this afternoon did I learn from a friend that the Taurus 85 was upgraded to 6 shots - the 856.
The shrouded extractor is a plus , 22 oz. seems like a good weight , one of the variations comes with a laser and a substantial grip.

I owned an 85 a while back ; the trigger was not S&W standard , but it wasn't terrible either. One reservation I have is that , while I know my way around the internals of a Smith revolver , the guts of a Taurus are terra incognita. Pretty easy to polish the rebound slide of a Smith and swap the rebound spring , but a Taurus ...?
I polished on mine, gotta go back and do a but more, but they arnt complicated.
 
I considered the Undercoverette , but became interested in the Taurus 856 when I learned yesterday that the 85 was upgraded to 6 rounds. 22 oz of steel , loaded with wadcutters , sounds very manageable to me. Laser option available. I happen to be sitting on a 120 rounds of .38 sp wadcutters and several thousand mild .38 reloads.

If anyone has first hand comparison between to Charter Arms and Taurus triggers I'd love to hear it.

LCR - I had use of one for a time ... IMO it is a quality product , but too light for shooting comfort.
 
Just this afternoon did I learn from a friend that the Taurus 85 was upgraded to 6 shots - the 856.
The shrouded extractor is a plus , 22 oz. seems like a good weight , one of the variations comes with a laser and a substantial grip.

I owned an 85 a while back ; the trigger was not S&W standard , but it wasn't terrible either. One reservation I have is that , while I know my way around the internals of a Smith revolver , the guts of a Taurus are terra incognita. Pretty easy to polish the rebound slide of a Smith and swap the rebound spring , but a Taurus ...?

Taurus 85 and its kin? Simpler innards than an S&W in some regards and Taurus revolvers have a transfer bar similar to a Ruger. Some insight here, if you haven't seen it before.
 
If anyone has first hand comparison between to Charter Arms and Taurus triggers I'd love to hear it.

I can only give you what I know about my one 1970 Charter Arms and my one 2008 Taurus 85UL.

Both came with excellent single action triggers. Nearly good enough to be on a bolt action hunting rifle.

The double action triggers are different. The Taurus has a smooth pull through from start to finish, with no felt staging step in the pull.

The Charter Arms' trigger stacks near the end of its pull to the point it feels like staging, but it's not the same as how the staging feels in say a Ruger GP100.

Between my C.A. and Taurus, the Taurus has a better DA trigger. Part of that is likely due to my Charter Arms being a rimfire gun and my Taurus being centerfire.
 
That is helpful; I have no C A experience ; my Taurus experience is consistent with yours.

Another question:
Using the same gun , say a steel framed snub, how do 9mm and .38 sp compare in terms of perceived recoil? Lighter faster projectile vs heavier and slower?
 
If the Taurus trigger is the same as the late model Rossi, then the Taurus trigger is a little wider than the CA trigger. Also the CA trigger has grooves and the Rossi (Taurus?) does not. This can make it feel lighter than the CA, but the actual pull weight is about the same.
 
If the Taurus trigger is the same as the late model Rossi, then the Taurus trigger is a little wider than the CA trigger. Also the CA trigger has grooves and the Rossi (Taurus?) does not. This can make it feel lighter than the CA, but the actual pull weight is about the same.

My Taurus 85UL and CA triggers are both about 7mm wide. They are contoured differently, but the measured max widths are virtually identical.

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That is helpful; I have no C A experience ; my Taurus experience is consistent with yours.

Another question:
Using the same gun , say a steel framed snub, how do 9mm and .38 sp compare in terms of perceived recoil? Lighter faster projectile vs heavier and slower?
9MM is notably snappier
 
I have four CA revolvers and have owned about ten Taurii.

The CA triggers feel kind of toy-like to me, like an old-fashioned cap gun, but they are consistent across the four and reasonably light. I like the triggers just fine.

My Taurii have been all over the place. I've had a few with dreadful triggers, a few with so-so triggers, and a few with excellent triggers.
 
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