Integral locks: good or bad?

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I've recently gotten back into shooting after many years away from the range. I'm a wheelgun fan and have gotten an education since coming here. The integral locks seem to be getting a bad rap from experienced shooters and I wonder why. Is it a matter of esthetics or is there a functional problem associated with them?
 
Aesthetics issues for some and POTENTIAL functional problems with others as I see it.

Happily, finding wheelies without the lock is still not too much of a chore...easy enough to avoid the issues as they say.
 
Like you, I'd been away from handguns for some time, and came here to get caught up. After doing some research, I believe there is a functional problem with the internal lock revolvers, and there is obviously an asthetic problem too, they are ugly. I've read the posts from those that have had them lock up, and I've examined the posts of the few that keep saying there is not an issue with them. My conclusions are, that the problem may not be widespread, but is significant enough to preclude the use of a key lock revolver as a carry gun. I've noticed that it is the same handfull of posters saying these revolvers are fine, on several different gun boards, the exact same folks. That alone makes me leary of what they have to say. I also notice, that these same folks own a bunch of the key lock revolvers. Perhaps that fact shapes their advice more than it should. I've read a couple of those folks attacking others who disagree with them, on the S&W forum, as well as other boards. They seem to have an agenda. I've wondered if they don't work for Safe T Hammer.
All the folks who carry revolvers for serious, post threads saying they decline to purchase the key lock revolvers, and are buying pre lock guns instead. I followed their lead. My 586-3, and my new to me 686 CS-1 are superior to the key lock guns I've examined and shot. Sweeter triggers, very accurate, and no ugly hole above the thumb latch. One last thing I noticed. Those key lock revolvers are not selling around these parts. Two shops offered me incredible deals on them, before I found out why. The old mom and pop shop I was at yesterday told me they won't carry the new revolvers, and don't take key lock revolvers in trade. The lady said they are too small to lay out that investment, in guns that nobody wants. I did see that the key lock revolvers seem to sit in the classifieds for a long time too. If they are just as good as the pre lock guns, why am I seeing all this?
 
My position is that as the buyer, I should make the decisions about what add-ons, gimcracks and doo-dads I want. No one has the right to force gunlocks on me if I don't want them. Since I have never personally identified a need for an integral lock on my guns, I won't pay the extra money to buy a gun with such an unneeded feature.
 
Irrelevant. Other features determine my response to a firearm. I've had many S&W's with and without, and the locks made no difference.
 
Here, let me fix it for you.

Aesthetics issues for some and ACTUAL functional problems with others as I see it.

I don't mind them. if you don't like them leave them unlocked.

Yeah, and if you leave that rattlesnake alone he won't bother you...:rolleyes:
Wrong answer. "Leave it unlocked" is great in theory, but they can (and have) locked themselves. You could only find a few instances when they came out. I read about several new ones per month now, and now know someone who had it happen to him. He is on this board and has posted about it.

Buy what you want, but don't buy BS.
 
I've heard reports that the S&W design MIGHT affect functionality. In which case, I don't think they are a good idea.

Haven't heard any such reports with the Taurus design and if they don't interfer with functionality, I don't have a problem with them. If I don't want to use it, I don't but if I ever need to disable the gun because I'm checking it some place or for some other reason, I don't need to worry about a lock because it's already built in.
 
My position remains, I don't see any need for an integral lock on a gun. Since it costs money to put such locks in guns, I'm opposed to paying for what I don't need or want.

There are plenty of good, used guns out there without locks.
 
I think that it depends on the buyer's circumstances. Ask yourself a question, "do I want, or need, the ability to lock my handgun out of action?" If the answer is, "yes" by all means buy a model that has this feature. If it's, "no" then buy something else.

Smith and Wesson has had some problems with their lock on a few models, and while it is not unheard of for a revolver to lock itself, such incidents are few and far apart. Other companies haven't earned this reputation, at least so far.

My beef with the locks in Smith & Wesson's has more to do with other features within the same revolvers then the lock itself. But given a choice it's a feature I don't need or want, and since S&W doesn't offer any other option I choose to buy older guns that I'm more confortable with.

I suspect that if you were thinking of buying a new car you wouldn't pick a model that was loaded with accessories that you didn't want or need. I use the same reasoning when I buy a gun.
 
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I own about a dozen S&W revolvers, including four of recent manufacture with the lock and MIM parts. I like them all.

I don't have strong feelings about the lock, one way or the other. Given today's political climate, I can see why S&W makes them; there are some states where they are required. Get used to it because there will probably be more in the future. I can see how it can be pretty handy for somebody that has a need to lock their gun conveniently; if you have children in the house, for example. I can also see how they could fail sometimes, like any other mechanical device.

What I don't see is the need for all the repeated whining and moaning in the gun fora. This ain't rocket science here. If you think the lock is ugly or dangerous, get a revolver without the lock. If you think it's going to lock up on you and get you killed, disable it. If you need a revolver that doesn't come without the lock, like a 329PD, it takes about ten minutes to remove the thing. If you still think it's ugly, then weld it up and refinish it. If you think that you will be prosecuted or sued for removing it, then don't remove it. If you are still unhappy, then make your own brand of revolvers to sell to the millions of people who share your views. If you don't have the ambition or can't get the capital to do that, and are still unhappy about this state of affairs, then go home and cry.


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I've got two Taurus revolvers with the internal locks.

I'm quite neutral on the subject. I guess I'd pefer not to have any type of lock and I definitely would not pay extra for an optional lock.

The Taurus locks are quite unobtrusive. I just leave them unlocked. I do know where the keys are...I think!
 
Locks, while useful and even desired by some, do tend to rub many gun owners the wrong way just because it's another issue of being "told" rather than "asked" about having a lock on their gun.

I have kids and sometimes even use locks on the few guns I have with them, but I really resent the politically correct BS that all guns should be mandated to have locks. It's not my belief and I don't like it forced on me.
 
So we should sit on our high horse and dismiss those that haven't heard of the dead horse ?:confused:


FACT- An internal lock is a mechanical device.
FACT- All mechanical devices will fail.
FACT- An internal lock is not necessary for the gun to function.
FACT- An internal lock adds an extra unnecessary chance of failure.
 
FACT- An internal lock is a mechanical device.
FACT- All mechanical devices will fail.
FACT- An internal lock is not necessary for the gun to function.
FACT- An internal lock adds an extra unnecessary chance of failure.
FACT- Putting an internal lock in a firearm costs money.
FACT- When you buy a gun with an internal lock, you are paying for something you don't want or need.
 
<<Is it just me, or has this horse been beaten to death way too many times?>>

Yes, that ole lang syne.
One can makes choices here.
Let’s face it, their not going away. Just like the seat belt. I feel the same about them. Wearing (by law) seatbelts is not going to prevent you from GETTING into an accident. Use, does prevent getting hurt any further, without them.
Simple.
Choices one has: Don’t buy a firearm (new or used) with a lock. Buy a pre-lock (only used).
Buy the firearm (with the lock) and remove it. If you have the knowledge to do it. And it is accepted that you don’t need one (in your state, check laws).
Buy the firearm (with the lock) DON”T remove it. Don’t use it. Or use it. (Your choice)

Note: if it does lock up, send it in for repair.
Btw. Some complain about how dangerous it can be if it locks up in self-defense situations. Well…True. But again. One can make a scenario, just about anything. I had a handgun (no scenario), and all rounds (in chamber and magazine) in 75% of the box were duds. I’m not going to name that company, because they do make good ammo. But how many times would that happen again? Things happen. Guns’ jam, misfires ….and who knows what else can/could happen?
Furthermore, having a gun does not give one a 100% guarantee that you will live though that combat situation either, going against another with the same. That person (good or bad) could have an advantage. By training, experience, who knows? By giving a pre-interview of that other person would be of help, to that gun duel.
I have seen/known “tunnel rats” (short, thin guys, fast reflexes) that can disarm, before one could pull that piece.
With the situation gun owners are facing, they might not have to worry about, lock or no lock.
 
Is it just me, or has this horse been beaten to death way too many times?

Indeed it has, like a number of other issues. But it will keep coming up so long as we get new members who haven't yet learned how to use the search feature. Getting and giving answers is one of the reason we're here... ;)
 
Neutral - i've got a 642 with the keylock...i've put upwards of 3000 rounds through it, some +P some not, about 50/50..it's never locked itself, i've taken it apart and examined the mechanism and detents and it feels and functions solidly, never jumps the detents even with high pressure loads and when i simulate limp wristing the crap out of it to let the gun jar more than a normal grip...all in all, it makes no difference to me if there's a lock on it or not. Re: aesthetics, i don't buy guns to look pretty, they are tools..the lock is a very small black circle...just not a big deal. You can always dremel off the locking mechanism if you don't like it - internally where you can't see it. :)
 
Yes...this horse has been beaten to death. Unless the locking mechanism inadvertently affects the function of the revolver...I couldn't care less. Now...some people have mentioned that they read...heard...or think that it does affect the function of the weapon...that it locks on its own. Any proof?

I want to know...I want to hear from somebody in this thread whom has had a problem firing their weapon because this internal locking mechanism locks on its own volition. If there are no actual, personally related instances of this occurance, then let this remain in the political agenda...cuz that's what it is really all about...eh? :barf:
 

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I don't mind them. if you don't like them leave them unlocked.
I'd rather have an integral lock than a cluncky key lock.
Unfortunately, sometimes they don't want to STAY locked.

I don't want ANY kind of lock, be it a trigger lock that can be used to FIRE the gun by an unauthorized person, OR an internal lock that can stop ME from firing the gun when I MOST need to shoot it.

I've got a safe. It has no effect on the functioning of my guns.

If you can afford the gun, but can't afford a safe, you can afford a GI ammo box, a hasp and a padlock.
 
I heard this story once, from this guy my brother's boss knew. His girlfriend's brother's plumber bought a brand new Ford something, or maybe it was a Honda, and the brakes failed when he drove off the dealer's lot and he died. :rolleyes:

Reminds me of the whole key lock thing. Also, several THR members have reported putting a drop of Loctite on the lock so it doesn't lock by itself. I'd worry more about a primer failing to ignite than lock malfunctions.
 
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