Interesting news from Belgium

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DoubleTapDrew: I'm not sure I'd want one of those. I couldn't possibly hope to afford to feed it as much as I would want to :(
 
Barman: re. The Viking's question, I think he was talking about modern (polymer and stainless, ergonomic stocks etc) muzzle-loaders, or only "classic" looking reproductions. Here in Pennsylvania, the shops have a huge variety of modern muzzleloaders, because the law limits deer hunting to those, or at least provides a longer season to muzzle-loaders. (Someone from PA who actually hunts deer can probably clarify this.)
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I am almost positive that only classic reproductions are completly free, apart from a few exceptions which are declassified.

Most others require a 4th category licence which you get as a sports shooter (you need to suscribe to a club and deal with a little bit of paperwork)
 
I really hate these sneaky incremental one-step-at-a-time enrichments of freedoms.
 
Yeah some are better than none barman, but wouldn't you rather get all the freedom you want regarding guns, all at once? Imagine Europe becoming like Vermont or Alaska here in the U.S. in terms of gun laws overnight...well, I know that's not going to happen overnight in Europe, you'll have to put up with a little at a time...good luck with it! I must just be spoiled here in VT...
 
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Yeah some are better than none barman, but wouldn't you rather get all the freedom you want regarding guns, all at once? Imagine Europe becoming like Vermont or Alaska here in the U.S. in terms of gun laws overnight...well, I know that's not going to happen overnight in Europe, you'll have to put up with a little at a time...good luck with it! I must just be spoiled here in VT...
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That would be awesome. I know some people would probably die of heart attacks if that happened :evil:.
 
Yeah some are better than none barman, but wouldn't you rather get all the freedom you want regarding guns, all at once? Imagine Europe becoming like Vermont or Alaska here in the U.S. in terms of gun laws overnight...
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Of course.

Let me tell you I'm as pro-gun as you can get (for an old world dude).
The situation in Europe is bad. But I'm optimistic, it pleases me to have an opportunity being happy about something gun-related over here.
 
That would be awesome. I know some people would probably die of heart attacks if that happened
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I know someone here in VT who almost had a heart attack when I told her no permits/licenses are needed to carry, and that I was carrying...she is from New Jersey though so I wasn't too shocked at her reaction.;)
 
I know someone here in VT who almost had a heart attack when I told her no permits/licenses are needed to carry, and that I was carrying...she is from New Jersey though so I wasn't too shocked at her reaction
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I'm back from Fairbanks Alaska. Even I, as a foreigner, was allowed to wander in the wilderness with a shotgun on my shoulder. Truly inspiring.

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Now THAT's a place I'd like to permanently live in if I wasn't as patriotic and attached to my native land as I am.

Here's my father in law's flintlock rifle collection:

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This IS important. To admit, in any way, that so called "gun control" is futile and meaningless, is an important step.
 
matt87: aren't you britons allowed a bunch of rifles in obsolete (but not impossible to get) calibers without having a firearms license?
 
Yeah, Awful, Isn't It?

I really hate these sneaky incremental one-step-at-a-time enrichments of freedoms.
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Next thing you know, they'll be allowing unlicensed open carry.

Then unlicensed concealed carry.

My God, where will it all end?!
 
Yes, the Europeans call .45 ACP 11.2x23mm. I don't know why, but they do. They're so obsessed with Metric. Imperial just makes so much more sense.
I mean do you have any body part that's a millimeter long? Seriously?
Inches: roughly knuckles
Feet: Duh!
Yard: Armspan (though meters are nearly identical)
It all works.
 
The Viking:

Yes, but the list is given out by the Home Office and is quite restrictive. Needless to say, any responsible dealer will not sell you ammo for them, and it would require a fair amount of knowledge, effort, money and skill to produce them or modify an obsolete-calibre gun to fire more readilly available ammo. More effort than it would take to get hold of, say, an illegal AK or MAC10 and a few mags plus ammo.

EDIT: the list is not a definitive one, and some interepretation is possible by customers and dealers. However, with a recent case in the news concerning a dealer sailing very close to the wind, I am sure that many dealers will be reluctant to deviate from it.
 
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A translate.google.com version of the page linking to this document comes up with:
These weapons are weapons on sale free. Their ammunition are subjected to authorization. If one uses his weapons to be drawn, they are classified in “weapons subjected to authorization”.
In this case, it is necessary to have an authorization of detention or licence of gunner, if these weapons are used in a sporting discipline recognized by the communities.
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So, it looks like it's okay to own the guns, but ammunition and firing them requires 'authorization' of some sort. Which may or may not be a big deal.
Anyone from Belgium here able to clarify?
 
Since august you can buy a lot of historical weapons in Belgium without any administration, BUT it is illegal to own any ammunition for these weapons or to shoot with them.

You need to complete a theoretical and practical test, register your weapons and be a member of a club if you decide to shoot your weapons.

Rovi, your summary was correct.

Erhard
 
It's always interesting to see our European friends pitch in - it's a great way to learn a bit about gun culture/laws their areas.
 
Hi Erhard.

Welcome to THR and thanks for confirming my summary, apologies for the quality of the 'translation', I'm sure it's hilarious to a native speaker. :D
 
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