i recently bought a beretta nano to carry, a friend of mine went with the lcr 357. i wanted a 357 myself but when i went to one i got such a great deal on the nano at $279 otd that i bought it. when my friend came over to shoot today he kept telling me how i messed up not getting a 357 cause its the best caliber to have on everything around my home place and woods. where i live in kentucky we have mostly coyotes or feral dogs in the woods, black bears are rare. so he decided to do a test to show me how much greater the 357 is, he took several 1/2 inch boards and screwed them together. we stood at 10 yds and fired one shot each at our boards with different ammo, we each had two boards. i was using 115 grain hp and 124 grain hp, in comparison he was using 110 grain hp and 125 hp. if i hadn't did this test myself i wouldn't believed it but the nano 9mm performed better than the lcr 357. the 9mm penetrated 1 more board than the 357 and was imbedded in number 2 board past the 357. also the hollowpoint expanded better in the 9mm. my guess is because the short barrel on the 357 but i was so surprised at this i had to post. if i can get a camera i will take pics of the boards and ammo. at least my friend quit talking down on my 9mm, but i know whats next he will bring over his gp100 to win one way or another. just thought i would let everyone know, i'm still amazed and can't believe it.
interesting test today
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ivankerley
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man i wouldnt want to shoot .357s in one of those lcr's just sounds painful to do very often. Congrats on the purchase and validation of it.
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Many people don't know it, but 9mm often exceeds .357 performance in short barrels (under three inches). In longer barrels the .357 pulls ahead.
The excessive fireball and blast from a .357 snub is the power being vented, instead of being used to propel the bullet.
The excessive fireball and blast from a .357 snub is the power being vented, instead of being used to propel the bullet.
Jlr2267
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There is a 9mm LCR now that looks interesting.
moxie
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eecummings always said change the oil in your keyboard every 3 months and the shift key won't get STUCK in the OFF position
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From a 4 inch GP 100 he may win, but so what you made your original point.
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So many variables in this one single test, that it's difficult to determine if anyone really "won". I'd be more interested in which firearm gave the most consistent accuracy more than penetration into 1/2'' boards, especially if the winning penetration had only penetrated 1/2'' of wood to the second board.
In a snubby a 9mmPara is a better .357 than the .357mag......except you can load heavier bullets in the .357. With lighter bullets the 9(which operates at comparable pressure to the .357) gets about the same performance velocity wise with much less muzzle blast.
buck460xvr : especially if the winning penetration had only penetrated 1/2'' of wood to the second board.
my 9mm stuck into two boards beyond the 357, both went thru several boards before stopping. sorry if i wrote it to where it sounded like the 357 only went thru one board, it went thru several, my 9mm went thru one extra and stuck in the second one beyond the 357 penetration. i am gonna call and if he hasn't threw them away ask him to count again before i post to tell me the exact number they went thru. i'm sure i remember right but i want to be sure of the amount before i post. thanks
my 9mm stuck into two boards beyond the 357, both went thru several boards before stopping. sorry if i wrote it to where it sounded like the 357 only went thru one board, it went thru several, my 9mm went thru one extra and stuck in the second one beyond the 357 penetration. i am gonna call and if he hasn't threw them away ask him to count again before i post to tell me the exact number they went thru. i'm sure i remember right but i want to be sure of the amount before i post. thanks
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I am not surprised but I wouldn't base my opinion soley on shooting pine boards. Actually your test is a test of penetration of cover a attacker might be using. Your results show that both short barrel handguns give poor performance. It would be interesting to include 9mm FMJ in your testing.
Another poor man's test is to shoot milk jugs filled with water both with and without demin covering them. Besides shooting things is fun.
Another poor man's test is to shoot milk jugs filled with water both with and without demin covering them. Besides shooting things is fun.
45_auto
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Did all of the bullets expand equally?
More expansion (bigger diameter) = less penetration.
More expansion (bigger diameter) = less penetration.
the expansion was close between the two but the 9mm did look like it expanded slightly more but penetrated a little more too. he was using winchester 110 grain hollowpoint and remington 125 grain hollowpoint. i was using winchester 115 grain hp and remington 124 grain hp.
With 110-125 gr bullets it is almost certain the 9mm is faster than a 357 with the same bullet weights from barrels that short. The 357's advantage is it's ability to shoot 150-200 gr bullets. Even from 4" barrels the 357's edge is only around 50-100 fps. You don't get anywhere near published ballistics from a 357 until you start shooting them in 7"-8" barrels.
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Military used to test using pine boards. 1911 was going 4 inches at 250 yds thru 1 inch white pine boards . 1inch at time was considered a dangerous wound . And you thought the 1911 was a close range pistol. At 25 yards bullet went 6 inches. That big old slug was still dangerous at 250 yds approx 666FPS and 226 ft lbs
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