Interesting view from Anthony Bourdain
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RetiredUSNChief
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I'm thinking that we should take THR and go with "the criminal demographic".
One side has (gun owners), one side wants to take (gun grabbers)
We are currently living a "compromise" where neither side is happy.
In order to further compromise one side has to give a little of what they HAVE, the other side only has to give a little of what they WANT. In other words they don't have to give up or lose anything.
Then they will be back later to compromise some more. that's how we got to where we are now.
1934, 1968, 1986, 1994, 20??
Jeff said: Out of curiosity, to what demographic are you referring?
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Sir, may I suggest you familiarize yourself with the DOJ crime statistics, the answer is crystal clear when it comes to identifying the cause of high levels of violence in this country.
None of our "leaders" have seen fit to mention this fact though, much less act on it.
If you want to look at the numbers: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/murder_most_swedish.html
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Sir, may I suggest you familiarize yourself with the DOJ crime statistics, the answer is crystal clear when it comes to identifying the cause of high levels of violence in this country.
None of our "leaders" have seen fit to mention this fact though, much less act on it.
If you want to look at the numbers: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/murder_most_swedish.html
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xfyrfiter
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AB did a fair job on this subject and the next night Andrew Zimmerman was on with a similar piece. AZ did an even better job on the gun issue and got the NM references 100%. As a near life resident of NM I have been to all of the places in both shows.
RetiredUSNChief
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Well, whaddaya know? It seems I was correct! The demographic of concern is, indeed, "the criminal element"!
Am I good, or what?
BullSlinger
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I'll have to watch the video. The answer is Red, green is for tourists and new residents.
The thing about Anthony Bourdain is that he has made a living traveling to iffy places and eating iffy things. He is traveled enough to know that there is true evil in the world, and wanting/owning/shooting guns does not make one crazy or bad or evil. In his travels, this is the truth he knows: guns are not evil. It's the PEOPLE who use them for evil that are evil. Removing the guns without removing the PEOPLE who commit evil will not remove the evil ( think CHICAGO).
Here is a truism that WE, the proponents of 2nd amendment, refuse to admit: Guns in the hands of evil people enables them to perpetrate their evil FASTER.
Slowing down the ability of an evil person to do harm is what some left of center really want. But this is impossible to do without infringing on the rights of a three hundred million people. So the majority of lefties are willing to throw the 2nd out with the bathwater. But to do THAT, they have to deamonize normal people(gun owners). They have to make us look like a bunch of lunatics. They cast aspersions on half the citizens in this country, and then expect the insulted masses to come to the table to "compromise" (read... "give up more of their rights").
But we do not forget the hyperbole or the insults. And we have been rolled enough by their "compromises" to know that there are no longer any "common sense" approaches or compromises to be made. Anthony Bourdain is not yet at that point.
Here is a truism that WE, the proponents of 2nd amendment, refuse to admit: Guns in the hands of evil people enables them to perpetrate their evil FASTER.
Slowing down the ability of an evil person to do harm is what some left of center really want. But this is impossible to do without infringing on the rights of a three hundred million people. So the majority of lefties are willing to throw the 2nd out with the bathwater. But to do THAT, they have to deamonize normal people(gun owners). They have to make us look like a bunch of lunatics. They cast aspersions on half the citizens in this country, and then expect the insulted masses to come to the table to "compromise" (read... "give up more of their rights").
But we do not forget the hyperbole or the insults. And we have been rolled enough by their "compromises" to know that there are no longer any "common sense" approaches or compromises to be made. Anthony Bourdain is not yet at that point.
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Zimmern - not Zimmerman.
He's had quite a lot of fun shooting - even full auto miniguns.
The Food Channel and Travel Channel food folks are usually gun friendly.
Look at Alton Brown. Also, way back when Ming Tsai went hunting and explained his 20 gauge in detail.
I agree that you can have nitpick fit but such presentations are far more to our benefit than not.
He's had quite a lot of fun shooting - even full auto miniguns.
The Food Channel and Travel Channel food folks are usually gun friendly.
Look at Alton Brown. Also, way back when Ming Tsai went hunting and explained his 20 gauge in detail.
I agree that you can have nitpick fit but such presentations are far more to our benefit than not.
Poverty has much more to do with it than what you and that article are implying. Unfortunetly we have idiots like that author out there associating themselve with the gun culture
Turf wars for the drug trade aren't poverty, if you have been outside the US for any length of time you know we don't have any real poverty here. We do have more than 50 million on the dole though.
Blunt objects are used far more often than automatic rifles in murders, we have made the mistake of ignoring facts and accepting phony arguments as valid.
Tony argues from pure emotion and refuses to even consider facts, he projects that we all really want to settle things by violence, when in fact a tiny minority use that option.
The further we can get from emotion and the more we serve up the facts, the sooner they will stop trying to take weapons from everyone but the guilty.
Blunt objects are used far more often than automatic rifles in murders, we have made the mistake of ignoring facts and accepting phony arguments as valid.
Tony argues from pure emotion and refuses to even consider facts, he projects that we all really want to settle things by violence, when in fact a tiny minority use that option.
The further we can get from emotion and the more we serve up the facts, the sooner they will stop trying to take weapons from everyone but the guilty.
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Turf War, drug trade, and poverty go hand in hand. It is absurd to think otherwise. You are dancing around a topic and trying to imply something. If you actually believe it, come out and say it. Blacks and Latinos cause most of the problems and it is because of their race. Don't try to be smug about it, man up and say it out loud if you believe that.
An intelligent rational person realizes that the problems with crimes in this country are centered around things other than the color of skin
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in one episode, tony did go to ted nugents ranch.there is no way a total lefty would do that.ted can rattle off true facts and statistics faster than any normal man can keep up with.there really is no argueing with uncle ted, he will make yu look like a fool.tony got a lot of points in my book just for showing up. think he also shot some weapons and ate a rare grilled varmint of some sort also.
but dont fool yourself, he is not one of us.
but dont fool yourself, he is not one of us.
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Michigan has state preemption of gun laws and so Detroit is shall issue. The downtown Detroit streets are normally empty, no big city bustle at all.
That said, there are a lot of places even LEOs have told me they avoid off duty.
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Honestly he was polite about looking to talk about how we can compromise further with the anti gun crowd was my take. He would like to know more about his neighbors so he can be comfortable... Just my take.
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THR dot org rules.
The articulate replies in this thread along w/ the pleasant surprise of Mr. Boudain's views are impressive. I can only aspire to expressing myself as well as the fellows who have posted.
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THR dot org rules.
The articulate replies in this thread along w/ the pleasant surprise of Mr. Boudain's views are impressive. I can only aspire to expressing myself as well as the fellows who have posted.
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I'll put it very simply. While he is not one of "us"...he gets "us".
He comes from a place where "normal" people don't own guns much. Many of us (Indiana, Kentucky...the list goes on and on and on) come from places where "normal" people own, shoot, and carry guns all the time.
He get's that. He went to Vassar college. I went to Indiana University, you went to the U of K or Texas A&M. Gonna be different core views from those educational experiences.
He's a chef who writes books and has TV shows. I program computers in the Midwest. You sell Real Estate in the deep south. You work in agribusiness on the great plains. Gonna be different core views from those industry experiences.
He grew up (I think) in and around NYC and lives there to this day married to a woman from, I believe, Sardinia. I grew up in rural Indiana and live on the South side of Indianapolis, married to a woman who's from rural Indiana. You grew up in Wyoming and married a woman who grew up in Idaho. Gonna be different core views from those life experiences.
All that as a given, I think it is not only laudable that Anthony Bourdain thinks this way, but he's got the courage to say it on television...on what is, at its core, a food oriented travel and culture show.
Bravo Bourdain I say. Pretty sure he'd go shooting with me and find something to like about the fellas I shoot with...north-central Indiana farm boys mostly...even if the Hoosier state is not much known for cuisine of any sort.
I like Green and Red equally I think.
He comes from a place where "normal" people don't own guns much. Many of us (Indiana, Kentucky...the list goes on and on and on) come from places where "normal" people own, shoot, and carry guns all the time.
He get's that. He went to Vassar college. I went to Indiana University, you went to the U of K or Texas A&M. Gonna be different core views from those educational experiences.
He's a chef who writes books and has TV shows. I program computers in the Midwest. You sell Real Estate in the deep south. You work in agribusiness on the great plains. Gonna be different core views from those industry experiences.
He grew up (I think) in and around NYC and lives there to this day married to a woman from, I believe, Sardinia. I grew up in rural Indiana and live on the South side of Indianapolis, married to a woman who's from rural Indiana. You grew up in Wyoming and married a woman who grew up in Idaho. Gonna be different core views from those life experiences.
All that as a given, I think it is not only laudable that Anthony Bourdain thinks this way, but he's got the courage to say it on television...on what is, at its core, a food oriented travel and culture show.
Bravo Bourdain I say. Pretty sure he'd go shooting with me and find something to like about the fellas I shoot with...north-central Indiana farm boys mostly...even if the Hoosier state is not much known for cuisine of any sort.
I like Green and Red equally I think.
I like Bourdain
I watch Bourdain. Bourdain is trying to appeal to a greater cross section of the country in order to gain viewership.
Bourdain is also attached to CNN now, one of the most liberal, left leaning news channels in the country.
The remarks Bourdain made came from an episode of his CNN show which was filmed in New Mexico. One of the more gun friendly and also crime ridden as well as poorer states in the nation.
Oh and Anthony, the tractor trailers are called Eighteen wheelers, yes, there really are eighteen seperate wheels and eighteen seperate tires and they can easily accomodate 25 TONS of freight when loaded correctly, not the peevy 3 tons you mention as cavorting down the highway.
If you really supported guns and gun ownership you would move from that turdhole city you so love, buy a small ranch, acquire a decent gun collection, and shoot at leat every other week.
JMHO of course,,,,
I watch Bourdain. Bourdain is trying to appeal to a greater cross section of the country in order to gain viewership.
Bourdain is also attached to CNN now, one of the most liberal, left leaning news channels in the country.
The remarks Bourdain made came from an episode of his CNN show which was filmed in New Mexico. One of the more gun friendly and also crime ridden as well as poorer states in the nation.
Oh and Anthony, the tractor trailers are called Eighteen wheelers, yes, there really are eighteen seperate wheels and eighteen seperate tires and they can easily accomodate 25 TONS of freight when loaded correctly, not the peevy 3 tons you mention as cavorting down the highway.
If you really supported guns and gun ownership you would move from that turdhole city you so love, buy a small ranch, acquire a decent gun collection, and shoot at leat every other week.
JMHO of course,,,,
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