Intresting.... Glock Tested thread

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I don't like Glocks for numerous reasons.

1. I dislike the complete lack of a manual safety. I consider the trigger "safety" dangerous and largely defeating the purpose of having a safety because it could still allow the gun to fire if it snags something. I really don't think this type of safety should be allowed as the only device.

2. I'm not a fan of the trigger with the safety. Don't like how it feels.

3. Glocks are really only great in 9mm. At .40 and .45 they start to display some deficiencies. I prefer .45, and thus I prefer a pistol that's not Glock.

4. They're ugly, they're plastic, they're cookie cutter and WAY too common.
 
I'm not being passive-aggressive I called it totally straight and I thought I was being generous after your post as you tried to take mine out of context.

I understand the concept of HYPING your product. But its just that, hype. I'm trying to point out the fact that the tests are not conclusive and they are biased by the manufacturer and should not be used as a deciding factor to choose a Glock over another firearm when it isn't TESTED against the other firearm. Everyone test their firearms, do you honestly think that H&K, Sig, CZ, S&W, etc...don't?? I suppose if Glock did worse than the competition in any way they shared that too right? NO, because when you are hyping a product you don't show and HONEST evaluation you just try to make everyone think your product is better than everyone else's.

And that was for ALL not just you too, whatever that means.
 
The gun should be tested against IT'S USE (or abuse, in this case).
If the competition cares not, then why should Glock?
Glock does the job. Better than anyone else? Who knows, but they do the damn job & they do it WELL.

'Nuff Said.
 
The answer is that most quality handguns are capable of the same things.


Why is that I've never seen torture tests on any other weapons like I've seen on Glocks?

I like shooting a lot of different weapons, but Glocks and AK's are my go to guns for the reason of reliability.
 
The sig test is the closest thing to the torture tests listed for the glock. THe other two are ridiculous. They proved that an XD can take 20K rounds and some mud and ice. I certainly didnt see it get buried in the ground for 19 months, or drug behind a vehicle for a few miles. Big deal. There are documented glocks out there with almost 200K, probably some more. THe M&P had a CRACKED SLIDE at 62K rounds. Yeah, that really held up as well. Try again.

I am not even trying to say that the glock is better than either pistol. I am just pointing out that you havent proved anything but your own desire to flamebait anytime someone says glock.
 
I own a Glock 19, and didn't even bother looking at the OP's vid link, but I am fairly confident that my H&K USPc can take more torture than my Glock. The finish on the Glock is incredible though.

I love both, but I feel that the H&K is a more robust platform in general. I've owned a few XD's too, and they are also built very well.

Never owned a Sig or M&P, but I'd really like to buy a Sig some day. I consider them on the same level of durability/quality/shootability as my H&K, but have never laid down the cash to call one my own. M&Ps never impressed me much, but I have no real experience with owning one.
 
HK:
High temp (63 C, 145 F)
Thermal shock (-46 to +63 C)
Mud bath (10 minutes exposure)
Particulate (sand) (10 minute exposure)
Freezing rain (1 hour to -46 C)
Doesnt exactly scream of extreme torture testing. Sounds like what we do to hunting shotguns here in Illinois between squirrel, rabbit, and deer season
 
I own a Glock 19, and didn't even bother looking at the OP's vid link, but I am fairly confident that my H&K USPc can take more torture than my Glock. The finish on the Glock is incredible though.

I love both, but I feel that the H&K is a more robust platform in general. I've owned a few XD's too, and they are also built very well.

Never owned a Sig or M&P, but I'd really like to buy a Sig some day. I consider them on the same level of durability/quality/shootability as my H&K, but have never laid down the cash to call one my own. M&Ps never impressed me much, but I have no real experience with owning one.
I think the sigs and HKs are better firearms. Unfortunately, their price IMO more than reflects that quality. To the point that I bought a glock instead.
 
Read the date on your post, out of date by almost 5 years. I guess you were in to big of a hurry to check that.


Afghanistan: Secondary weapons of the Afghan National Police.
Australia: Armament of certain Australian police forces. All Australian police services apart from the South Australian Police and Victoria Police use Glock pistols. A special Glock 17 outfitted with a M1911-style safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police.[23] The Western Australia Police have standardised on the Glock 22. Glock 17s are also issued to Australian Customs officers[24] and the Glock 19 is in service with the Royal Australian Air Force.
Austria: P80 standard service pistol.[25]
Belgium: Used by Belgian police and the Belgian State Security Service.[26]
Brazil: The Federal Police Department issues all agents graduating from the National Police Academy a Glock 17 or Glock 19 or Glock 26 according to the agent's preference.
Canada: Used by various police agencies in cities such as Edmonton, Toronto and Ottawa, as well as the South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Police Service.
Ecuador: Issued to all National Police officers, as well as various special police units such as the GOE and GIR.
Finland: Used by Finnish police and border guard.
Fiji: Tactical Response Unit[27]
France: The Glock 17 is used by certain naval and parachute units of the French Army.[28]
Germany: Various special units of the German Federal Police.
Hong Kong: Special Duties Unit and G4 of the Hong Kong Police Force.
Iceland: Icelandic special forces, such as Víkingasveitin and ICRU.
India: Indian Army, special forces and Indian Police.
Indonesia: Used by Indonesian Army Kopassus, the Indonesian National Police Force and Detachment 88.
Iraq: Iraqi security forces.
Israel: Glock 17s and Glock 19s are standard service pistols in certain Israeli military and paramilitary units (Yamam, Shayetet 13, Shabak, and private security firms).
Italy: Glock 17s and Glock 19s are available to Italian special forces such as GIS, NOCS, "Col Moschin" Regiment, COMSUBIN, and to Intelligence and State Security personnel.
Latvia: The Glock 17 is the standard sidearm of the Latvian Military and police.[29]
Lithuania: The Glock 17 is the standard sidearm of the Lithuanian Armed Forces.[30]
Malaysia: Mostly used by the Royal Malaysian Navy and Royal Malaysian Police (Pasukan Gerakan Khas).
The Netherlands: Standard service pistol of the Military of the Netherlands (Glock 17)[31] and of the SWAT teams of the Dutch police (Glock 17).[32]
New Zealand: The New Zealand Police carry the Glock 17 in situations where weapons are issued.
Norway: In 1988 the Glock 17 was adopted as the Norwegian Army standard sidearm.
Pakistan: Some units of Pakistan Army and Pakistan Air Force use the Glock 17 and its variants as a sidearm. e.g. the PROVOST Units and Military Police.
Philippines: Used by the Philippine National Police and the National Bureau of Investigation.
Poland: Approx. 4,800 Glock 19 pistols acquired for the Polish police. The contract was awarded in 2007 and first deliveries were scheduled for October of the same year.[33]. Glock 17 pistols are the standard sidearm of the Polish Military Police and are frequently used by detectives of the Polish Police.
Romania: Used by troops on deployment and several special operations units.
Slovenia
Spain: The Guardia Civil's UEI use the Glock 17.
Sri Lanka: Sri Lanka Police.
South Korea: Glock 19 used by South Korean Army and Blue House Securities.
Sweden: The Swedish Armed Forces use two 9mm variants of the Glock – the Glock 17 and compact Glock 19, known locally as the Pistol 88 and Pistol 88B respectively.[34][35] The Swedish Customs Service as well as the Swedish Coast Guard also use Glock pistols as service weapons.[36]
United Kingdom: Users include the Specialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service and the Police Service of Northern Ireland.
United States: The Federal Bureau of Investigation issues all agents graduating from the FBI Academy a Glock 22 or Glock 23 according to the agent's preference, as does the Department of Treasury IRS Criminal Investigation Division[37] although the Glock 17 may be issued for FBI agents tasked with overseas assignments (because of the worldwide availability of the 9x19mm round). .40 caliber Glock pistols are issued to all new agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration,[38] and the Glock 19 remains the standard issue of the Environmental Protection Agency Criminal Investigation Division. The New York City Police Department issues the Glock 19 for uniform carry as well as the Glock 26 for concealed carry to many of its officers. Kansas Highway Patrol issues Glock 21 pistols to its Troopers, chambered in the .45 ACP round.

This list doesnt even go into the number of state police, county sherriff offices, and local police depts that issue glocks in the US
 
How is it out of date? Are you saying those tests or the firearms tested are obsolete now? How have any of the weapons tested, including the Glock changed in that five years. I realize it was in 2004 but are we going to discount any of the Glock tests that are a few years old? Thats really grasping at straws.

And what does your post prove? Here are some of SIGs customers.

P226

* United States
o Arizona Highway Patrol (P226, P229, P239.40 S&W)
o Alameda County Sheriff's Office in .357 SIG
o Beverly Hills Police Department
o Boca Raton, FL Police Department (P229 .40 S&W, 239)
o Chicago Heights, IL Police Department (9 mm DA/SA)
o City of Brookfield Police Department, Wi
o Dallas Police Department
o Defense Intelligence Agency
o Elizabeth, NJ Police (9mm, P226)
o Elyria, Ohio Police and SRT (P226 .40 S&W)
o Fairfax County Police Department, Virginia (P226, P228 .40 S&W)
o Federal Reserve Police Jacksonville Branch (.40 S&W)
o Flint, Michigan Police department (9mm)
o Frederick County, Maryland Sheriff's Office
o Fremont, California Police Department
o Fort Worth Police Department (.40 S&W)
o Houston Police Department (.40 S&W)
o U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
o Lansing, IL Police Department
o Lawrence, KS Police Department
o Massachusetts Department of Correction (Sig Pro 2340 .40 S&W)
o Massachusetts State Police (P226 DAK, .40 S&W)
o Michigan State Police (.40 S&W, DA/SA)
o Nassau County Police Department, Long Island, N.Y.
o United States Navy SEALs (P226 Navy under the designation of Mk 24 Mod 0)
o New York City Police Department (NYPD) P226 9 mm DAO (NYPD does not issue sidearms; officers can choose between a P226 DAO, S&W 5946 or Glock 19 and pay for it with their own funds)
o Ohio State Highway Patrol (.40 S&W)
o Oklahoma Highway Patrol (.357 SIG)
o Opelika Police Department (.40 SIG P226)
o Rhode Island State Police (P226 DAK, .357 SIG)
o Sacramento Police Department
o San Francisco Police Department (in .40 S&W)
o San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office (.40 S&W)
o San Jose Police Department
o Seminole County, Florida Sheriff's Office (.357 Sig DAK)
o Texas Highway Patrol (.357 Sig DAK)
o Texas Rangers
o University of San Francisco Department of Public Safety
o Virginia State Police (P229 .357sig)
o Whitehall, Ohio Police Department (.40 S&W 9 mm)
* Germany
o Berlin Spezialeinsatzkommando
* United Kingdom
o British Armed Forces under the designation L105A1
o British Armed police
* Canada
o Canadian Forces.
o Nova Scotia Department of Natural Resources Conservation Officers
o Ontario Provincial Police
o CN Railway Police
o Royal Canadian Mounted Police
o Royal Newfoundland Constabulary
o Newfoundland and Labrador Department of Natural Resources Conservation Officers (.40 S&W)
o Vancouver Police Department
* Finland
o Finnish Army
* India
o Indian Army
o Parachute Regiment (India)
o MARCOS (India)
o National Security Guards
* Ireland
o Emergency Response Unit (Garda)
o Irish Army Rangers
* Iran
o Adopted it for use under license by Defense Industries Organization as the ZOAF and, currently, as the PC9 pistol
* Iraq
o Kurdish Special Forces
o MNF-I
* Indonesia
o Gegana
o Denjaka
o Detasemen Bravo
o Kopaska
o Kopassus
* Israel
o Sayeret Duvdevan
* Japan
o Special Assault Team
o Japan Ground Self-Defense Force & Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force as Minebea P9.
* Mexico
o The Mexican Army uses the P226 Tactical
o The Mexican Marine Corps use the P226
* Malaysia
o 10 Paratrooper Brigade
o Grup Gerak Khas
o General Operations Forces
* New Zealand
o New Zealand Army
* Poland
o Polish Navy (GSP FORMOZA)
* Philippines
o Philippine National Police
o National Intelligence Coordinating Agency
* Slovenia
o Slovenian Army (ESD - Special Forces)
* Singapore
o Singapore Armed Forces
* Spain
o Grupo Especial de Operaciones (GEO)
* Sweden
o Swedish Police
* Venezuela
o Fuerza Armada Nacional

[edit] P228

* Albania
o RENEA
* United Kingdom
o SAS
* Canada
o Service de police de la Ville de Laval
* France
o GIGN
* Japan
o Special Assault Team
o Special Security Team
* Malaysia
o General Operations Forces
* Sweden
o Swedish Police
* United States
o United States Navy SEALs (Under designation as the M11)[6]
o United States Army Criminal Investigation Command
o National Park Service
o United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service
o United States Navy, Naval Aviation
o United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations
o Nassau County Police Department
o New Jersey State Police
o Jackson, NJ Police Department
o Delta Force (1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta)
o Task Force 11
o Federal Bureau of Prisons, Special Operations Response Team (SORT)
* United Arab Emirates
o Abu Dhabi Police
o Abu Dhabi Police SWAT Team
o UAE Special Forces
o UAE Army
o Dubai Police SWAT Team

[edit] P229

* United Kingdom
o British Armed Forces (L117A2)
o MOD Police
* United States
o Essex County, NJ Sheriff's Department (.40 S&W)
o Fairfax County, Virginia Police Department (P226, P229, .40 S&W)
o Newark, NJ Police Department (.40 S&W)
o Nevada Highway Patrol (.40 S&W)
o United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
o Anne Arundel County Police Department (.40 S&W)
o Connecticut State Police (.40 S&W)
o Gulfport, Florida Police Department (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
o Houston Police Department
o Lubbock Police Department (.40 S&W)
o North Carolina State Highway Patrol (P229 DAK, .357 SIG)
o San Diego Police Department (P229R, 9MM)
o Independence, Mo. Police Dept. (.357 Sig)
o St. Louis County Police Department (.40 S&W)
o Rutherford County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department (.40 S&W)
o Virginia State Police (P229 DAK, .357 SIG)
o Vermont State Police (P229 DAK, .40 S&W, carried with an issued, underlug-mounted Surefire X200 light)
o Wilmington, Delaware Probation & Parole (.40 S&W)
o United States Department of Homeland Security
+ Federal Air Marshal Service (.357 SIG)
+ United States Coast Guard (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
+ Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
+ United States Secret Service (.357 SIG)
o United States Department of State - Diplomatic Security Service (P229 Rail, 9 mm)
o Federal Reserve Police (.40 S&W) May have used. Federal Reserve (Federal Protection) are now seen with the S&W M&P (.40)
o United States Postal Inspectors (P229R DAK, .40 S&W)
o Memphis Police Department (.40 S&W)
o Allegheny County, Pennsylvania Police Department, (DAO, .40 S&W)
o Texas Highway Patrol (.357 Sig)
o Fayette County, GA Sheriff's Department
o Warren County, NJ Sheriff's Department

Once again you have nothing but hype and insults to offer and nothing substantial. You act like I just slapped the kool-aid out of your hand.
 
Once again you have nothing but hype and insults to offer and nothing substantial. You act like I just slapped the kool-aid out of your hand

More flamebait. Your typical posting style. Go ahead and quote me where i insulted you, I will apologize.

Your list is no more impressive than any others. In fact, if I were to list glocks by model, as you did with sigs, it would be a huge list.

I have never said that glocks were supreme, in fact I said the opposite.
I think the sigs and HKs are better firearms.
Who said that, OH YEAH, it was me. You cant label me as a koolaid drinker, as much as you would like too.

Go ahead, post some more inflammatory material, try to get people to argue with you. Everyone here recognizes you for what you are.
 
jon_in_wv said:
Because your not looking. Try it and you might be surprised.

http://springfield-armory.primediaou.../SPstory11.php

Wow, its just took me what, five seconds to find this one. Would you like more?

Funny. I found this on your link...

XD TORTURE TEST by Chaim Stein said:
Conclusion
Damned impressive. Of course the Glock (and other guns, as well) should be able to handle this kind of abuse. The point of this test wasn't to diminish any existing brand but to get a picture of the capabilities of the XD, which is a relatively new product.

It would seem that the author got the point, why can't you????
 
IMO, the best thing about glock is the finish. I wish they'd refinish my 1911s. I wouldn't think twice about burying one in my back yard, if it had the same finish as my glock.

That gun really has proved "to hell and back reliability"
Funny you use the SIG slogan. I've seen a broken example from most of the firearms manufactures. However, I've never seen a broken SIG. They're like ten second Hondas. I've heard about them online, and I do know they exist, but I've never actually seen one.
 
IMO, the best thing about glock is the finish. I wish they'd refinish my 1911s. I wouldn't think twice about burying one in my back yard, if it had the same finish as my glock.


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That gun really has proved "to hell and back reliability"

Funny you use the SIG slogan. I've seen a broken example from most of the firearms manufactures. However, I've never seen a broken SIG. They're like ten second Hondas. I've heard about them online, and I do know they exist, but I've never actually seen one.
The tennifer treatment is great. I must say though, I dont care much for the early glock finish, the dull look. The later glocks have the semi-gloss finish that looks a lot better.

I agree on the sigs, fine guns.
 
ljnowell said:
Dont bother, you are just fanning the flamebait.

I just keep imagining someone who mouthed off to a cop and got pistol-whipped with a Glock & now they're on a crusade.... it's just such a funny image.

Oh well. I like my Glocks. Plenty of REAL shooters like them (Suarez, Ayoob, Boatman just for starters) but others would lump them in with "Lemming-like Glock Advocates". Very, very foolish. They're accurate, very durable and serviceable, & great for the price when compared to HK, SigSauer, & the like. Great, great guns.

YMMV ^_^
 
I think the sigs and HKs are better firearms. Unfortunately, their price IMO more than reflects that quality. To the point that I bought a glock instead.
I see where you're coming from. The $250 dollar price difference makes the Glock that much more attractive over an H&K or Sig, but in the end it's hard to argue with an H&K or Sig's superb build-quality and fit/finish properties. The first time I picked up an H&K and a Sig, I shot them MUCH more accurately than I ever could with my Glocks. Funny thing is I really like the Glock trigger system, but just don't shoot it all that well...maybe it's the grip angle?? Who knows? Either way, I'll always have my g19 and g26 in my collection of handguns. I'll pass on all the other models, though. That is, unless they release a 20SF this year (fingers crossed:)I'd looooove to have one in OD green as a dedicated 10mm woods gun!)

I love how jon in wv listed all those Sigs by caliber to extend the list. Haha! He does make a decent point, however, when he says that a 4 year old test shouldn't be considered obsolete. There haven't been any real changes in the way the guns related to this discussion have been manufactured in the last 5 years as far as I know.
 
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