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Intresting observation about 25-06

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Kachok, Dec 1, 2012.

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  1. Kachok

    Kachok Member

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    Since we have an ex-quarterbore user I would like to ask what was it that you did not like about it? Everyone that I have met who uses them won't hunt with anything else for deer/pronghorn sized game.
     
  2. Kachok

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    BTW the only reason I have yet to own a 25-06 is that I have yet to find one in a rifle I like with a 24"+ barrel. Sadly Tikka and Savage have the shorter 22" tubes and nobody around here has carried a Venture, Model 70, or Vanguard in it, thought about an X-Bolt but they are major $$$$ in my neck of the woods and I am less then blown away by my A-Bolt II. Sticky action, less then stellar trigger, slow firing pin, lackluster recoil pad, and 2 MOA accuracy with factory ammo. Hopefully I can get it to groups with handloads, because I really like the fit and finish of the rifle.
     
  3. sixgunner455

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    ER Shaw will build you one on a Savage action, whatever length barrel you want. You'll have to wait a year or so to get it delivered, though. My buddy specced out a rifle on their website this week. We were both pleasantly surprised at the very reasonable quote they sent him.
     
  4. Kachok

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    Yeah I have priced their barrels before, they seem to be really good for the money, but I would have to have a doner rifle to break down and every time I get a Savage they shoot so darn good I have a hard time changing anything. I bought my latest a 110 30-06 with every intention of installing an ER Shaw barrel, and then I made the tragic mistake of taking it to the range first LOL
    My hunting buddy uses it all season long because it out shoots any of his high dollar guns :)
    Would you tear down a rifle that shot 1" with factory hunting ammo and cloverleafs with handloads?
     
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  5. H&Hhunter

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    Quarter bores are cool. I just wish they'd make a few more slippery bullets with some sectional density in .257 cal. Which is why I moved from the .257 cal (6.3mm) to a 6.5 and a 6.8. I am re barreling a rifle right now into a 6.5-06 which is basically a 25-06 with a bit better bullet choice.

    I have several buddies who are tried and true .25-06 guys and they do some impressive work with them no doubt. Those little quarter bore rounds are just so sweet to shoot!
     
  6. Kachok

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    6.5-06 is an interesting choice, never shot one but on paper it shoots flatter, further and with less wind drift then the 25-06, 270, and 280. Impressive stuff I often wounder why it is still not a commercial cartrage, 120gr Ballistic Tips at 3200fps makes for a convening argument for hunters. Throw in 140gr VLDs at around 3k and you are set for world class long ranged shooting. Similar downrange performance to the 280 AI
     
  7. sixgunner455

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    No, you're right, I would not tear down a rifle that shot like that. What I would do if I couldn't get what I wanted in a factory rifle is spec out a custom rifle for ER Shaw to build for me on a new Savage action. They have a rifle builder page on their website.

    Sorry if I didn't make that clear, but that was what I was talking about.
     
  8. kmrcstintn

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    I have a Savage 111G in .25-06 that I planned to become a varmint gun, but the guys I used to hunt with really never got the idea up-n-running; I stocked up on a particular round that the rifle loves...Winchester Super-X 90gr Positive Expansion Point and still have 7 or 8 boxes of it

    the original scope was a Simmons Master Series ProHunter 6-21 x 44 (recategorized in the '44 Magnum' series), but I never fully warmed up to it (still have it in storage); new scope is a Redfield Revolution 4-12 x 40 since I was gonna repurpose the gun for deer & occasional varmint work closer to where I would be hunting;

    right now it is resting in the cabinet waiting for warmer weather and trips to the range
     
  9. mdauben

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    Don't sell the .25-06 short, with most 100-115gr bullets its still got plenty of umph for deer out to 400 yards or more if you can do your job.
     
  10. Steel Talon

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    Absolutely correct! I use exclusively 115gr. Nos partitions and have made some hellacious long distance kill shots.
     
  11. MCgunner

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    6.5x06 sounds interesting. It'd be easy to get brass for, at least. I've always thought the .264 Winchester Magnum deserved more following. 6.5x06 makes a little more sense to own, though, due to the beltless cartridge and ease of obtaining brass. Interesting.
     
  12. H&Hhunter

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    The easiest way to make 6.5-06 brass is to simply make one pass through the 6.5x06 sizing die with 25-06 brass. Don't use .270 brass as .270 win has a different shoulder and neck dimension than an 06. You can also take 06 brass and neck it down in the same way but I like to neck up and not down. I find it tends to workout better overall.

    The 6.5-06 will push a 140 gr bullet right at 3000 FPS + or- depending on your barrel, length, smoothness, twist, ETC ETC. It's a really cool little cartridge although I'm not sure it really "gives" you anything over a .270 except cool factor and the need to be different. And I'm all about that !;)
     
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    This buck is not a fan of the 25-06.

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  14. Kachok

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    140gr 6.5mm walks all over 150gr 277 cal bullets for ballistics, I did a detailed comparison of all the 06 offspring with their most efficient bullets at max load speeds (per Nosler) and the 6.5-06 emerged as the clear winner at long range (unless you count the 280 AI in which case it is close) with it's blistering fast 120gr bullets and ultra slick 140s.
     
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    I've owned both the .25WSSM (same diff as the '06), and the Bob, and much prefer the Roberts. Max range around here is about 200 yards, and the bob will do anything Michigan has to offer at those ranges.
     
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    In 1971 the USAF transferred me from my home in Alabama to Montana. I found out really quick that my Marlin 336C in .35 Remington was not a plains and prairie gun. I put a Remington 700 BDL .25-06 on layaway and had it paid out in just a few months. Then I bought an RCBS Rockchucker and started reloading and shooting prairie dogs and jack rabbits. I had that rifle dialed in by hunting season. I settled on 115 Nosler Partitions for deer and have not looked back. I have made over 50 one-shot kills with that rifle and load. Only two ran and both were less than 40 yards. I still load the same load in the Rockchucker and still grab that rife when I go deer hunting. Even though I have been back in Alabama since 1976 and have other rifles and supposedly better brush busting calibers the .25-06 is still the only one that makes it to the woods.
     
  17. H&Hhunter

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    Please define "walks all over" in real world field use and hunting terms?:)
     
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    Long shots are where the 25-06 shines. I've shot a couple of coyotes, one at 500, the other over 550. and it effectively gutted them right on the spot. There was also that pronghorn buck at 305 stepped off yards, DRT.

    26" Douglas Air-Gauged barrel on a 1903 Springfield, 100 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip at 3300 fps.
     
  19. Kachok

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    Much higher BC bullets to retain energy and reduce wind deflection on those 300+yd shots. Inside 300 where most people hunt you might never know the difference, but having lived way out in West Texas I can vouch for the importance of good ballistics in certain cases. Big ol mulies don't let you get too close when you don't have any cover.
     
  20. H&Hhunter

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    I understand all that. But what I'm getting at is that a good .277 (6.8MM) bullet in a proper weight SD and BC and velocity ain't that far off a good 6.5 MM at similar velocity. I'd say there is definitely an advantage with a good slippery 6.5 bullet I'm just not sure that it's all that much more than a slight advantage instead of "walking all over" it. I am a 6.5 fan as well don't get me wrong...:)

    Have you seen the new line Accubond Long Range up for 2013? They are making a 150 gr .277 bullet with a BC of .625 this year. I'd say that's getting up there with the best of the 6.5 bullets. Check it out..

    http://www.eastmans.com/forum/showthread.php/3755-New-Nosler-Accubond-Long-Range!
     
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    I'm a 6.5 fan also but I agree that the .277 isn't that big of a difference for long range shooting and there are some bullets to choose from that really makes this a case of frog hair splitting (A common theme in ballistic discussions).
    I think " walks all over " is a bit of a stretch.
     
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  22. Kachok

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    .625BC! Dang that is higher then the VLD! Might get a box of those for the short mag. Wounder it they stabalize in a 1:10 twist?
    Why make a 6.5mm 129gr ALR and no 140gr?
     
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    You almost answered your own question. It has to do with bullet twist. In the ALR configuration the Nosler people determined that the 140 gr 6.5 wouldn't stabilize with the popular 1-8" barrels. I wondered the same thing.
     
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    I would bet that they could stabalize somthing in that weight range (137-139gr), have you seen how long a 6.5 140gr VLD is!?!? They stabalize just fine in a 1:8 twist. I think they went with the 129gr to appease the 1:9 twist 260Rem guys.
    No 243 or 257 cal ALRs :( that is also a bummer, mabey next year. If you could give a 25-06 top notch BC bullets it would be a world beater with it's speed.
     
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    I've been shooting a 25-06 since 1965 and now on my third one. Never fired a factory round only reloads. The reason the 25-06 is so highly regarded is that it is very easy to hit with up close or at long range. The 25-06 is an excellent varmint rifle, or a deer rifle for a young shooter or anyone who is recoil shy. My current opinion is that it makes a good deer rifle and I like to carry one while scouting, the 270 Wincherster is a better deer rifle, and a 30-06 is about as good as you can get. Shooter
     
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