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BitOfGrit

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Hi there, THR community. I've been reading your collective wisdom for months without posting anything; I'm happy to finally come out of the woodwork (though not the closet). I hope I can be a valuable asset to THR.

Background
I have fairly decent experience in shooting long guns/"assault rifles" and some experience with pistols --though I just bought my first a few weeks ago. I've tried to self teach as much as possible by reading The Gun Digest Book of Combat Hangunnery and a few other pistol marksmanship instructional books. All that aside, I'm a huge cherry. I'm going to be asking a lot of questions!

The Setup
All shots, unless noted, were fired from approximately 10 meters, using a power-isosceles stance (a bit crouched, legs shoulder-width and aggressively placed). I put 100 shots downrange into 4 targets, firing my SA XD9 4".

The Gear
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My beautiful new XD, and my best grip (for the pictures, don't 'ya know). Yes, I have very large hands, which makes rolling the trigger something interesting when I have both of my mole paws on that polymer frame.

The Targets
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*Ahem* Be gentle. As you can see, I'm having a bit of trouble, among other things, in finding my vertical Point of Aim. My XD has the three dot aiming system, so its a bit of a "new thing" for me. I also don't know the trajectory for my rounds (Remington UMC +P 124gr.); at 10 meters, would the bullet have reached its max ordinate yet? Honestly, I can't eliminate enough error in the wetware to find out. I seemed to get bullets pretty close to the center of the target by covering the center of the target with the center of the white dot. What the heck should my sight picture look like?

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I think I got a little better the second 25 rounds or so. This was all fine indexing --taking plenty of time to focus on the front sight post, control breathing, and roll the trigger. And I'd be a happy camper if this was a picture of my target at 25 meters :rolleyes:. Nope. 10.

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In my defense, the third 25 rounds was fired a mix of dominant hand, non-dominant hand, and power-isosceles.

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Now this target is the one that I have the most puzzlement about. All of the shots were fired power-isosceles, but some of them were fired with a fairly gross indexing. In other words, I just sorta pointed the pistol at the target, not aiming, and fired a series of slow shots that went pretty much all over the place. But that I understand. What I don't get is the part I have circled in paint pen and written "Fast, Relaxed Semi-Gross Index". IMHO, this is a pretty decent shot grouping (although not-so-decent shot placement). And the kicker is that after I generally aimed the front sight post, I fired in fairly rapid succession, right after I "felt" the pistol "fall" back into place. To be perfectly clear, I aimed the first shot, and just "felt" the rest...and I really wish that I could shoot my aimed shots that well. That's about nine shots in an awesome grouping (for a cherry) --why does this happen when I'm not trying so hard to get a tight grouping? :confused:
 

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Hi, Bit. :) Unfortunately, I only see red Xs for all but your first photo. If that first photo is representative, I would advise not gripping the handgun quite that tightly. ;) Also, this gun has a light trigger pull - albeit with a long sweep - and the thumb curled down in a "clenched-fist" grip is not really necessary. Here is a target analysis guide, if that may be of help.
 
Heh, no kidding. Let me see if I can correct that. Thanks for the heads up. So much for a stellar first impression. :banghead:

Hey, about that grip. I'm not the pro on these things, but here are my reasons (tell me what you think about them). I know that in combat situations, my body tends to tense up a bit and forget some of those finer motor skills. My hands also tend to grip weapons rather tightly. I figure if I practice as I will (that is, as I may) fight, I might come out on top.

That darned thumb. I should have posted another picture, but the funny thing is that if I extend it, I actually can't squeeze the trigger (especially when I add my non-dominant hand for support). Mole hands and all (that is a 4'" service model XD you are looking at, ladies and gents --it just looks like a compact). :)

Thanks for that target analysis guide. I'll take a good hard look at it.
 
I am far from an expert so I will just say that for me it is very similar. I am my own worst enemy. The more I think about it and try to aim, the worse I do. I can do a pretty good smiley face at 15 yards with each of my XDs (9mm and .45) as long as I do it in under ten seconds (ten rounds). If I concentrate and "try real hard" I do much worse. For better or worse, I tell myself that if I NEED to use my gun, I will not have time to over think it so I may do OK. I hope I never find out.
 
Hey, about that grip. I'm not the pro on these things, but here are my reasons (tell me what you think about them). I know that in combat situations, my body tends to tense up a bit and forget some of those finer motor skills. My hands also tend to grip weapons rather tightly. I figure if I practice as I will (that is, as I may) fight, I might come out on top.

It almost sounds like you read this article by Massad Ayoob. You seem to be in good company with a firm grip.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob85.html
 
I think you are doing quite well. You jerked the trigger three times on T1 but straightened out on T2. T3 with some SHO and WHO included is not bad at all. Overall T4 is about what you would expect shooting in a rush. Your close little sub-group probably represents shooting just slow enough to see the sights and just fast enough not to worry about it.

I don't like three dot sights shooting to the dots, that is for a rough aim when just far enough to not be able to point or index. The gun OUGHT to put its shots to the top of the front blade in the Patridge sight picture, square front post centered and leveled in the square rear notch. Maybe it will at some range, I don't know the trajectory of your load or the standard range in Croatia. Try some at different ranges and see.

Also, it might be your grip or trigger control dragging the POI down a bit. A hard hold as you describe can hold the gun down during in-barrel recoil and affect the zero. Jeff Cooper once showed a target with four distinct groups on it, two each by himself and another guy. He analyzed them on the basis of sight picture and recoil control.
Try the gun off a rest or have it shot by someone else.


Now, if you really want to exercise your XD, look up the nearest IDPA or IPSC club and get started in competition.
 
I think you are being a little hard on yourself - that is actually not shabby shooting. :)

The more "scattered" shots on that last target may be from snapping or yanking at the trigger at the moment the sights cover your point of impact. In his book Guns, Bullets and Gunfights, Jim Cirillo speaks to this, and wrote that his students would actually shoot better with the sights completely taped over.

As for point of aim/impact, this being a military/police service handgun for large targets at short ranges, you would actually cover up and partially or wholly obscure the bullseye with your front sight, which can make a precise point of aim difficult. I still prefer this on such a handgun, as a <ahem> real target is not going to have a convenient Shoot-n-C bullseye taped to his center of mass. ;)
 
Very good at 10yds, which is the same distance I use. I very familiar with that gun as I own 4 XD myself. Most of the time I shoot the 40SW 4" and then the 9mm 3" sub as they are my CCW guns.
My hands are smaller than yours but I did learn a little trick with XD's that did a lot to improve my shot placement. When I bring my front site in line with the target and squeeze off the first round I keep the trigger pulled all the way back until I acquire the target again. At that point I release trigger only until I can "feel" it click and fire again. It took a little getting used to but now it's almost second nature and I'm getting getting great placement at 10 and 20 m targets.
 
Wow, thanks for the responses! I really appreciate the welcome, advice, and encouragement.

I'll definitely have to experiment a bit with putting the top of the blade of the front sight post on my target. It also seems to me that my trigger squeeze needs a good bit more practice. Time for more dry fire!

Those are cool targets, where did you get them?

MaterDei, I got them at CheaperThanDirt. They are 8" round, and are designed for a 100M rifle zero, but are perfectly fine for pistol shooting!
 
For not being much of a pistol person you are doing very well. Practice will help smooth it out and make it seem a lot easier over time. Welcome to THR and keep us updated. :D
 
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