Iowa Sheriff's Don't Want to Give Up Control of Concealed Carry

[Winchester 73]

These Sheriff's have stopped shall issue for years in Iowa.

http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=18A2DB76-9E46-6F58-896E7F0ED16A5DFB

Sheriffs don't want to give up control of concealed gun permits
Thursday, February 14, 2008, 9:43 AM
By Darwin Danielson
There was an outcry at the statehouse Wednesday from county sheriffs objecting to a bill they say would make it harder for them to deny permits to carry concealed weapons.

The bill changes Iowa law to say the sheriff shall issue a permit except for a limited list of reasons, including felony convictions and drug addiction. If a permit's denied a written explanation would be required.

Representative Clel Baudler, a Republican from Greenfield, says there needs to be more consistency statewide in issuing the permits. Dubuque county Sheriff Kenneth Runde said that won't work. He said if he knows someone in his community has assaulted his wife but never been convicted, he wants to be able to deny a permit.

Runde says:"And we're going to give people like that permits to carry? That's not gonna happen, and I won't give 'em to those people. Just because they didn't get convicted 'cause their wives wouldn't testify, doesn't give them a right to carry a gun that they may end up using in a domestic violence situation."

Dewey Hildebrandt is sheriff of Bremer County. Hildebrandt says there are some cases where people might not have been found by the courts to be mentally unstable or unfit, there are situations where the sheriffs know the individuals personally and they are not the type they would want to see carrying weapons.

Story County Sheriff Paul Fitzgerald said explaining why a permit is denied could interfere with criminal investigations. "Taking the discretion away from sheriffs who have the intimate knowledge is going to be a disservice to the people in those communities," Fitzgerald says. Fitzgerald says the responsibility has got to fall back into the the sheriff and the sheriff has to stand up on why he did not give the person a permit.

Representative Baudler, a retired state trooper, says sheriffs are protecting their turf. He cited an example of permits unfairly denied for no apparent reason, including a prison guard who was not allowed to carry a concealed weapon for private protection outside the prison

 

[hnk45acp]

Dubuque county Sheriff Kenneth Runde said that won't work. He said if he knows someone in his community has assaulted his wife but never been convicted, he wants to be able to deny a permit.

Maybe he should issue one to the wife in that case

 

[scout26]

He said if he knows someone in his community has assaulted his wife but never been convicted, he wants to be able to deny a permit.

I know the court found him not guilty, but I find him guilty.

This man has taken the law into his own hands.

 

[Samuel Adams]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Read this...

May Be Time to Get to Know Your Sheriff: the power of localism

 

[wheelgunslinger]

Meh. Hiding behind battered women?
That's worse than "for the children."

Lobby to have this mess changed.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Read this...

"Sheriff Mattis said, 'I am reacting to the actions of federal employees
who have attempted to deprive citizens of my county of their privacy,
their liberty, and their property without regard to constitutional
safeguards. I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in
protecting their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA,
BATF, FBI, or any other federal agency that is operating outside the
confines of constitutional law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no
longer welcome in Bighorn County unless they intend to operate in
conformance to constitutional law.'"

Right on. We just went 5 rounds with our local officials exposing a corrupt election.
The Sheriff is an important official and bears more of your attention than a presidential race you have no power over.

 

[El Tejon]

Hmmm, something about how there should be a Rule of Law not a Rule of Man springs to mind.

Note that the newspaper headline does emphasize the correct word--CONTROL.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Just because they didn't get convicted 'cause their wives wouldn't testify, doesn't give them a right to carry a gun that they may end up using in a domestic violence situation."

Guilty until proven innocent might work in France, but not the United States.

That sheriff needs to get fired from his government job.

 

[Frog48]

I have lots of family that lives in Dubuque County. Its no secret that Sheriff Runde will not issue CHL's to ANYBODY, regardless of criminal record (or lack thereof)... except his personal friends, of course. He's nothing but a petty tyrant.

 

[Zundfolge]

ildebrandt says there are some cases where people might not have been found by the courts to be mentally unstable or unfit, there are situations where the sheriffs know the individuals personally and they are not the type they would want to see carrying weapons.

Ah so a Sheriff thinks he knows better than a judge and psychologist? He wants to retain his ability to treat the people in his county as his inferiors instead of his equals.

Well Iowans, the thing to do is organize and throw the bums out ... Sheriff's have to get elected there don't they?

 

[Desertdog]

Are the Sherifffs voted in in that state? Vote them out if they are.

 

[langenc]

Discretionay power-they love it.

 

[Halo is for Kids]

Learn more and help us here:

www.iowacarry.org

http://www.iowacarry.org/forums/

A few of the forum members had a hand in creating that bill.

Neat fact about Iowa: No loaded guns allowed in a car. (loaded magazine = loaded gun)

 

[Zach S]

Dewey Hildebrandt says there are some cases where people might not have been found by the courts to be mentally unstable or unfit, there are situations where the sheriffs know the individuals personally and they are not the type they would want to see carrying weapons.

Most of the officer's in my hometown knew I was "nothing but trouble and would end up in prison someday."

Obviously that hasn't happened.

 

[gravelyctry]

Dubuque's so liberal they think Sherriff Rund is good. He's denied a permit to me twice now. My response and reasoning is that I live about 1/2 hour away from Dubuque, and if I need to protect myself or family for whatever reason, I won't be able to wait until he or the police can respond. He is dismissive in his reasoning, saying that that's an unlikely situation. His only justification for issuing, he says, is if carrying is a requirement for your job.

 

[LAR-15]

What are the chances of this bill passing?

 

[Desertdog]

Dubuque's so liberal they think Sherriff Rund is good. He's denied a permit to me twice now.

If the Sheriff is refusing to obey the law, why isn't he facing a court action?

Or even a Federal/State lawsuit for derilection of duty.

 

[Winchester 73]

What are the chances of this bill passing?

With Iowa's political make up at this time and the influence these Sheriff's exert it looks poor for passage,IMO.
Eventually Iowan's wiil prevail and shall issue will become a reality.
It took KS and NE a long time.KS had to overcome Sebelius and NE, Ernie Chambers.It only takes one or two despots to stall the issue.
Look at Doyle in WI.They'd be shall issue 2 years ago if not for that tyrant's vetoes.

 

[Degrees]

I feel for people living in Iowa. Being a former resident myself of western Iowa and having family living there currently i can attest the mindsets of the different parts of the state. The western side is a lot more conservative than the eastern. I have always summed up that the eastern part of Iowa are a bunch of Illinois wannabes in the political scene. They tend to be a lot more liberal about things. I have 4 family members in the Council Bluffs area of western iowa that had no problem getting their conceal and carry. The 3 on the eastern side of the state have met with nothing but denials.

I myself live in Kansas now and was glad to hear about our legislature being able to get passed Governor Sebelius's veto. Right now i do not have my conceal and carry as it takes 45days to get it. But my paper work is in and i should have it by the end of March. To all of you from Iowa i suggest voting those sheriff's out of office. They are denying you your 2nd Amendment rights based on their own liberal views and are not following the law as stated.

 

[wideym]

What makes this Sherriff think a CCW permit will make a wife beater suddenly kill his wife? Everyone I know who has a CCW had pistols before they got a CCW.

 

[romma]

Some people love to rule, rather than serve...

 

[Harpo]

Neat fact about Iowa: No loaded guns allowed in a car. (loaded magazine = loaded gun)

Even with a permit to carry?

 

[Winchester 73]

Even with a permit to carry?

With a Iowa permit you are good to go.

Attribution:Travelers Guide to the Firearm's Laws of the 50 States
by J.Scott Kappas,Esq., 2007 Edition

 

[KenW.]

Reading this thread makes me happy that I am where I am;

Sheriff's do not get involved in CCW, it's a state level thing.

Municipalities are prohibited by state law from enacting any gun laws or restrictions- that's a state legislature thing.

I'm in Utah, and GLAD I didn't return to my home state, NY, after my USAF retirement...

 

[thebaldguy]

We had the same problem in Minnesota for a long time; some rural law enforcement agencies would grant CCW permits, while agencies in the major cities would deny permits to everyone. The worst part was that they didn't have to give a reason for denial; they could just say that they didn't think you needed a CCW permit. You had no course to take if they denied you; there was no such thing as an appeal.

 

[grimjaw]

He said if he knows someone in his community has assaulted his wife but never been convicted, he wants to be able to deny a permit.

Because everybody knows that if a man beats his wife and intends to kill his wife, he's going to go to the sheriff to get the proper paperwork filled out to make it, what, still illegal regardless of whether or not he had the permit?

Methinks the sheriff is a bit confused.

jm