Optical Serenity
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It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Taliban coming back had something to do with Iran supporting them financially.
Iran Earns Scorn of West by Removing Seals
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StrikeFire83
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For all you people itching to fight another war in the Middle East, JOIN UP and put your money where your mouth is.
The way I see it, another Mid East petroleum war will mean a draft. I’m 22, and couldn’t flee the USA, it’s my home and it’s not in my character to do so. That said, I don’t want to die so that Haliburton can open up another swath of oil fields while we watch gas go past $5 a gallon.
No thanks.
The way I see it, another Mid East petroleum war will mean a draft. I’m 22, and couldn’t flee the USA, it’s my home and it’s not in my character to do so. That said, I don’t want to die so that Haliburton can open up another swath of oil fields while we watch gas go past $5 a gallon.
No thanks.
Optical Serenity
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StrikeFire83 said:
Holy cow, seems like you've been sipping on some Michael Moore kool-aid.
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No.
It "seems" that I've lost a friend and have a brother in Western Iraq RIGHT NOW.
People my age are asked to fight the wars that old men start. This has nothing to do with Michael Moore and his idiocy. It just gauls the hell out of me that most of the people pushing for invading Iran, Syria, etc are aging boomers like Dick Cheney for whom "military service was not a priority" during the late 60s and 70s.
Do what you want to with your own skin, but don't tell people what they ought to be doing with theirs.
It "seems" that I've lost a friend and have a brother in Western Iraq RIGHT NOW.
People my age are asked to fight the wars that old men start. This has nothing to do with Michael Moore and his idiocy. It just gauls the hell out of me that most of the people pushing for invading Iran, Syria, etc are aging boomers like Dick Cheney for whom "military service was not a priority" during the late 60s and 70s.
Do what you want to with your own skin, but don't tell people what they ought to be doing with theirs.
StrikeFire83
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Kim said:Well alot of those old people fought many a hard war (much worse than IRAQ) so that you were able to be alive and free today. Think about that.
If you're talking about World War II, then yes, I totally agree with you.
If you're talking about Vietnam, while I respect their service, (my uncle is a Vietnam vet) that war was hardly essential to American survival.
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TexasSIGman said:
Individuals might believe that, and the boys in charge might foster such beliefs for the sake of moral (if god is with us who could stand against us,) but I sincerly doubt that anyone in charge of a country and it's nuclear stockpile wants to see that country vaporized. A whole country of your very own is the biggest, bestest toy on the market and after you've got one, you'd tend to ensure that it doesn't get blow'd up. If all that needs to happen for your country to not get blow'd up is for you to refrain from blowing up other countries, well then, that's not too much to ask, is it?
Of course, I suppose your classic sociopathic despot might be willing to see his citizens, possessions, wealth and power wiped out of existence for the fun of lobbing one little dimestore nuke at another country, but I doubt it. Their are far better methods of vain glorious suicide.
Complete tangent, but shouldn't Iran have earned the Scorn of the West a long time ago? Isn't it like, one of those axis of evil countries? (you'll forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong. I don't have cable.) Rape, robbery, murder, oppression, torture, that sort of thing? Isn't all that worth a little scorn?
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Easy on the insults! Not THR.
HankB
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"Scorn of the West" means absolutely nothing to the mad mullahs running Iran. They're only concerned with what the West will actually do to them - if anything.
A limited military strike by Israel or anyone else will probably not take out their nuke program, much of which has moved underground. They've probably made the calculation that with the US involved in Iraq - and domestic US support for that weak at best - an actual invasion is not likely. So "scorn of the west" just provides useful propaganda for the mullahs to stir things up at home. (Propaganda is essential - from what I've read, the mullahs are none too popular with the under-40 set at home.)
If anyone - US, Israel, whoever - does decide to take action, they should remember an old maxim from either Sun Tzu(?) or Machiavelli(?): Never do an enemy a minor injury.
A limited military strike by Israel or anyone else will probably not take out their nuke program, much of which has moved underground. They've probably made the calculation that with the US involved in Iraq - and domestic US support for that weak at best - an actual invasion is not likely. So "scorn of the west" just provides useful propaganda for the mullahs to stir things up at home. (Propaganda is essential - from what I've read, the mullahs are none too popular with the under-40 set at home.)
If anyone - US, Israel, whoever - does decide to take action, they should remember an old maxim from either Sun Tzu(?) or Machiavelli(?): Never do an enemy a minor injury.
captain obvious
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Last I heard some of the Iranian Mullas, i.e. the ones cut from the 1979 cloth, were backing away from Ahmadinejad, as he was getting too out of hand for their tastes.
Damn, it takes effort for those guys to say you're nuts.
Damn, it takes effort for those guys to say you're nuts.
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Lets see Russians selling lots of their newest and best anti aircraft missles to Iran....
Germans and French purveyors of fine Nuclear equipment to middle eastern despots.......
And of course the UN......
Yep I"m pretty sure that unless there is a big political change in Iran, the Israelis are gonna have to do some bombing.
Sindawe
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Then let ISRAEL do the bombing and keep us and our military the FRELL OUT OF IT!
Israel may be our closest ally in the region, but its LONG past time for the US to stop being the bigger, older friend that stand behind them while they and their neighbors bristle and square off like two male dogs after the same bitch in heat.AZ Jeff
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StrikeFire83 said:
That's an interesting (but naive) mentality. The leaders of the country traditionally tend to be the older, more experienced members of the population. Unfortunately, the adults best suited for combat tend to be younger, for obvious reasons.
To suggest that a nation (any nation) should send those so "interested/eager in war", and leave the younger generation "out of the fight" is a pretty naive approach to maintaining a cohesive democratic nation.
AZ Jeff said:
If we were a democratic nation (we arent) we would have pulled our soldiers out of Iraq the moment less than 50% of the population decided that they wanted them there.
It is understandable that we dont want to send our elderly government officials to war. However, answere me this: How many of THEIR children are fighting in Iraq. Both of Bush's children are of suitable military age...
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c_yeager said:
You're right. We're not. Enjoy your representative republic.
Most folks did not want to help Britian at the start of WWII. FDR covertly did otherwise. Even the US Civil War wasn't "popular" after a couple years of bloody conflict. There were riots in New York against the war. Even the war for Independence in 1776 - in the worst of it General Washington was facing mutiny. As expressed by Thomas Paine:
These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country: but he that stands it NOW deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered. Yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
Sometimes, the right thing to do isn't the popular decision.
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