Agreed. I wasn't describing the ideal situation, just what the FBI seemed to find was the most common. 3 feet is too close. 3 yards is too close. 7 yards (21') is probably the minimum threat distance for a reasonably reliable defense. But in some situations, it might be impossible to identify a threat soon enough.Also letting the threat within 3' (basically arms reach) in the first place generally shows a huge lack of situational awareness and you aren't drawing your gun in time before you are sucker punched from that distance.
A New York reload was two .38s, one in each back pocket.
If you understand the basic concept of: Eyeball, rear sight, front sight, perp all in line, you will have no problem. If you want to look "cool" with the sights twisted towards the ground in "gansta" style, then spray and pray, followed by DIE.
At the sight of a good 5-shot S&W, most (99.9%) of these low-lifes will turn and run.
If you have to drop a cylinder of empties during a gunfight dont just let them hit the ground and signal you are empty. The trick is to surprise the bad guys when they move out of cover THINKING you are empty.
Originally Posted by 10 Spot Terminator
If you have to drop a cylinder of empties during a gunfight dont just let them hit the ground and signal you are empty. The trick is to surprise the bad guys when they move out of cover THINKING you are empty.
notsureifserious
If you have to drop a cylinder of empties during a gunfight dont just let them hit the ground and signal you are empty. The trick is to surprise the bad guys when they move out of cover THINKING you are empty.
notsureifserious
In response to Black Knight post #106, I can see that point.
Just observe people at a firing range. How many of the wheelie shooters are actually practicing vs. the high cap shooters just, well, shooting at will with what seems like no plan of practice.
If you want to stretch a box of 50, shoot them in a revolver.
I remember like a hundred years ago a semi-auto .22 handgun, model 41? it doesn't matter, was pitted against an H&R top break 999 revolver (not that the top-break was the deal breaker, it was just pitted against the auto) and the 999 won every time getting through 50 faster and of course more.If you want to stretch a box of 50, shoot them in a revolver.
I'm guessing the semi had no spare mags so the one mag had to be reloaded each time.I remember like a hundred years ago a semi-auto .22 handgun, model 41? it doesn't matter, was pitted against an H&R top break 999 revolver (not that the top-break was the deal breaker, it was just pitted against the auto) and the 999 won every time getting through 50 faster and of course more.
On the subject that Tex and Warp mention, I have to confirm from my personal experience and observations that revolver shooters do often seem to exhibit more care. And I am firmly convinced that BDD apprehends the most likely scenario that we might face.
I cannot recall all the details, I assume someone more savvy than I can find the original post/thread, regarding "street thugs and you", and confirming the old saw, that the single most important rule of the (potential) gun fight is to have a gun. And, the willingness and mentality to use it.
Please do not misunderstand that I am against a person wishing to use what they wish....
In answer to the question posed about actual confrontations, against single or numerous ne'er-do-wells, it seems that, by far, the actual round usage is 0 (with any number from 2 to a dozen attackers), though I can think of three instances where the ammunition expenditure was 1 (even against multiple criminals, once the shooting started, they were trying to outrun the bullet in their haste to leave) and once when it was 8 ( all fired into one attacker at point blank range while the other gang members fled, their resolve to mug being in inverse ratio to the victim's willingness to fight back).
I am not by any means ruling out the possibility of facing numerous determined foes, but one must first realize that the majority of criminals are not determined people, and that if a person is facing such an uncommon threat, one must the fact that one's prospects may be grim indeed, such that no pistol made can substantively affect in and of itself. Fortunately, such foes, who really are willing to die for your wallet, are statistically non-existent as opposed to those who run away to rape another day.
Have a gun, know how to use it, be willing and prepared to use it.