Is a pistol grip that more manueverable?

[Edmond]

Let's say in a regular middle class neighborhood. Does a pistol grip shotgun make more sense than a butt stock shotgun for home defense?

Is it easier to move around the house with it? The guy across the street who has never fired a shotgun before thinks a pistol grip is easier so he bought a pistol grip Mossy. I disagreed with him, I thought that a butt stock would be fine because when you're moving, you have the gun pointed down anyway. And control is much better with the butt stock.

Oh yeah, he said that for his first shot, he wants to try and shoot it one handed like they do in the movies... I'll just make sure I'm no where around him when he tries that....

 

[pauli]

Let's say in a regular middle class neighborhood. Does a pistol grip shotgun make more sense than a butt stock shotgun for home defense?

nope.

i just did an experiment. turns out that if i bring my shotgun down from a mount, and bring my trigger hand in to my side, the end of the stock doesn't stick out as far as my elbow. moving around, i just don't see how a pistol grip would improve on that, unless i wanted to point it off to the side at the same time.

 

[slopemeno]

Do a simple experiment. Take two SG's out, one with a PG and one with a conventional stock, and try hitting a target under time pressure. The one with the full size stock will win every time. Now try it with the stock tucked under your armpit. Whoa- the stock wins again? Next-try shooting a mag full of 2.75" Buckshot. Hmmm-which do I want to do again...pistol gripped shotguns fill a very,very small niche. For the average guy, go with a stock. If you simply must trick out your shotgun, put the choate pistol-gripped full stock on it. And practice. Really practice.

 

[Fred Fuller]

You never know how you look, till you get your picture took...

"Does a pistol grip shotgun make more sense than a butt stock shotgun for home defense?"
No. Much harder to hit with. Stupid thing to do for anyone who is not going to practice ruthlessly/constantly with it. No need to be moving around the house in the dark looking for bad guys/bumps in the night anyway, hunker down/bunker up and let them find you.

"The guy across the street who has never fired a shotgun before thinks a pistol grip is easier..."
Noob. Everybody is one at some time, some folks get over it and some don't.

Shooting the thing with one hand is a good way to start getting over it... hope he doesn't damage himself permanently.

lpl/nc (My all time favorite piece of bent logic: 'I bought a Mossberg 'cause I like where the safety is better, but I want a pistol grip only stock on it.')

 

[demusn1979]

aahhh the young and foolish,tell him dont shoot your eye out.

 

[Dave McCracken]

No.

A standard shotgun is an awesome close quarters weapon. A shotgun with only a PG is less so.

Mine the archives, this gets chewed over frequently.

 

[scout26]

Ask which he thinks is a more stable platform:

A) a two legged stool

B) a three legged stool

With a PGO shotgun you only have contact at two points. Forearm and PG. With a stocked shotgun you have three points: Forearm, PG and Stock into your shoulder, which co-incidentally helps line up the old Mark I eyeball along the shooting plane of said shotgun. Which many studies and experiments have determined to be extremely helpful/the key factor in hitting what you want.

Take him out a range and have him shoot slopemeno's COF... I forsee a PG soon to be for sale/trade in the trading post section of THR....

 

[slopemeno]

Not to mention a wrist brace.... my wrist hurt for days after going thru a box of magnums with a PG shotgun. Bottom line-looks cool, very limited use.

 

[foghornl]

Have your "PG Only is the best way to go" try this...

Load up some really BIG BANG rounds...at least a short Magnum Buck or Slug. Throw a clay target up, and have him wingshoot...see if anything gets hit, other than his face with the PG stock....



Really...DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME, KIDS! ! !


I actually made that mistake ONCE with a PG stock shotty...and it was only a standard trap/skeet kind of load.

 

[Edmond]

He's going under the dangerous assumption that because of the spread pattern, he won't need to be very accurate and because of the power, he won't be concerned about a second shot.

 

[PJR]

Pistol grips are superlative for moving around. They are the best for a compact shotgun. They are unbeatable for everything right up until the moment you have to fire the gun.

Then they are not so good.

 

[Warren]

What about the PG with the folding stock? How does that combo work out?

Is there enough heft in the folding stock to handle the recoil?

 

[Goddess Rhiannon]

What about the PG with the folding stock? How does that combo work out? Is there enough heft in the folding stock to handle the recoil?

Knoxx makes a recoil reducing folding stock called the COPstock that is supposed to be quite amazing. Go to the website and view the video demo and see for yourself!

Rhiannon

 

[Warren]

Cool. Thanks.

 

[Moonclip]

Ahh, unconventional trap stories, just love them! My friend actually hit a clay I tossed with a 12ga 12 pellet 00buck load! I couldn't and we both bruised ourselves pretty well. I hit exactly one clay with a .410 H&R pardner that had been cut at the factory fore and aft to be just barely legal.

My dad keeps a 20 ga Mossberg 500 as a HD weapon in addition to pistols(it's a small cluttered house) and he seems comfortable enough and proficient enough with it at the ranges involved.