Is Bob Barr voting for Badnarik?

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An agonizing choice
Conservatives have plenty of cause to abandon Bush

BY BOB BARR

Voting for president used to be so easy, at least for a conservative. There was the Republican candidate. You knew he generally stood for lower taxes, less government spending, giving fewer powers to the government, lower deficits and a zealous regard for individual privacy.

Then, there was the Democrat. You knew he generally stood for higher taxes, more government and deficit spending, and a zealous regard for civil liberties.

Throughout my own presidential voting history, the choices have rarely, if ever, been agonizing. Nixon vs. McGovern? Carter vs. Reagan? Reagan-Mondale? Dukakis, a Massachusetts liberal? Clinton? Al Gore? Ah, the good ol' days. Each of those races presented clear choices, easily resolved.

Now we have the election of 2004. For the first time in my voting life, the choice in the race for president isn't so clear And, among true conservatives, I'm not alone.

What's making the contest so difficult? It's certainly not that both candidates are so conservative that we have a choice of riches. It's not even that John Kerry is sort of right wing compared to George W. Bush. The incumbent clearly is the more "conservative" of the two.

But the concerns for many conservative voters -- concerns that may cause them not to vote for Mr. Bush on Nov. 2 -- fall generally into three categories: fiscal, physical (as in the physical security of our nation) and freedom (as in protecting our civil liberties).

When Bush became president Jan. 20, 2001, he inherited an enviable fiscal situation. Congress, then controlled by his own party, had -- through discipline and tough votes -- whittled down decades of deficit spending under presidents of both parties, so that annual deficits of hundreds of billions of dollars had been transformed to a series of real and projected surpluses. The heavy lifting had been done. All Bush had to do was resist the urge to spend, and he had to exert some pressure on Congress to resist its natural impulses to do the same. Had he done that, he might have gone down in history as the most fiscally conservative president in modern times.

Instead, what we got were record levels of new spending, including nearly double-digit increases in nondefense discretionary spending. We now have deficits exceeding those that the first Republican-controlled Congress in 40 years faced when it convened in January 1995.

The oft-repeated mantra that "the terrorists made us spend more" rings hollow, especially to those who actually understand that increases in nondefense discretionary spending are not the inevitable result of fighting terrorists. It also irritates many conservatives, whether or not they support the war in Iraq, that so much of defense spending is being poured into the black hole of Iraq's internal security, while the security of our own borders goes wanting.

That brings us to the second major beef conservatives have with the president. He's seen as failing to take real steps to improve our border security. In many respects, because of his apparent desire to appease his compadre to the south -- Mexican President Vincente Fox -- Bush has made matters worse. More people are entering our country illegally than ever before, more than 3 million this year alone -- and most of them are stampeding across from Mexico.

It seems as if every time an effort is made to implement measures that would crack down on illegal immigration, Fox complains, and the White House tells our enforcement folks to back off. Perhaps that is why intelligence reports indicate al-Qaeda is actively recruiting in Central America.

At the same time, here at home, many law-abiding citizens accurately perceive that their own freedoms and civil liberties are being stripped. They are being profiled by government computers whenever they want to travel, their bank accounts are being summarily closed because they may fit some "profile," they are under surveillance by cameras paid for by that borrowed federal money, and, if the administration has its way, they will be forced to carry a national identification card. That skewed sense of priorities really rankles conservatives.

Those are but three tips of the iceberg that signal the deep dissatisfaction many conservatives harbor against the president. Thus far, however, with Bush's political gurus telling him he's ahead and to just lay low and not make any major gaffes, he seems unwilling to recognize the problems on his right flank. Or he seems to have concluded that he doesn't need to address those concerns because the ineptitude of the Kerry campaign hasn't forced him to.

But the race appears to be tightening again. It's likely to remain tight until Election Day. Those dissatisfied conservative voters will become increasingly important, but it's going to be impossible for the president to pull them back in with hollow, last-minute promises.

Bush's problem is that true conservatives remember their history. They recall that in recent years when the nation enjoyed the fruits of actual conservative fiscal and security policies, a Democrat occupied the White House and Congress was controlled by a Republican majority that actually fought for a substantive conservative agenda.

History's a troublesome thing for presidents. Even though most voters don't take much of a historical perspective into the voting booth with them, true conservatives do.

Hmmm. Who's the Libertarian candidate again?
 
I wonder if the "true conservatives" remember the history and have learned anything from the Ross Perot vote which insured Clinton as president? I think some of them have not.

Jerry
 
The fact that Ross Perot "stole" so many votes was the fault of Bush, not those who voted for Perot.
 
The fact that Ross Perot "stole" so many votes was the fault of Bush, not those who voted for Perot.

Truth.

Bush Sr. made the pledge: "Read my lips, no new taxes!" and then went back on it. Perot didn't force him into that blunder, neither did the Democrats. Bush Sr. should have forced them to over-ride a veto on the issue.
 
The Republicans assume conservatives have no choice but to vote for them. Now you know why I'll probably vote for Badnarik this election.

Conservatives have a choice just like anyone else. Personally this conservative would rather have half a loaf (Bush) than no loaf (Kerry), which is the realistic choice. Badnarik? His name starts with BAD--how good can he be? That and the fact that Libertarianism is immoral. Who could vote for that?

People bitch about Bush. They bitched about Reagan not being conservative enough either. My advice is wake up and smell the coffee.
 
Libertarianism is immoral

hah, which morals. Libertarianism, as the only political philosophy that specifically bars force and fraud I would consider THE moral political philosophy to hold. Welfare Statism, Fascism, THOSE are immoral, but libertarianism, gimme a break.

atek3
 
Long time Libertarian here, but I can no longer take Badnarick seriously. He sticks his foot in his mouth every chance he gets. How we picked him as our candidate is beyond me. Though I really hate to do it, for the first time in years I'm voting Republican. I'll still support local Libs, but Bush gets my vote.
 
Mr. Gusgus, nobody can tell

you how to vote. That is a decision you get to make for yourself.

However there are four things I would like you to consider;

1) Your vote is not the one that would have put Badnarik over the top.

2) Your vote is not the one that will put Bush over the top either.

3) Nobody will know who you voted for if you don't tell them. It's a secret ballot.

4) Thus in New Jersey your vote for Bush will really be the wasted vote.

You decide, no pressure.
 
It is true without a doubt that Bush alienated many conservatives when he went back on his "Read my lips ....new taxes."
But Clinton was a real disaster. Now I agree on some points with the half a loaf is better than none view.

I doubt some of you would be happy with Badnarick very long. The presidency is an office that no one can do with any where near to perfection. Politics requires some give and take or another way some compromise. The question is what compromises are you willing to accept without abandoning the party or the man?

If anyone must follow the views of gun owners in every aspect of gun ownership to be acceptable, then none will always be acceptable.

I have defended gun rights longer than most of you have been alive, unless you were born before 1957. It is an extremely important issue. However, if I had to choose issues in order of priority, gun rights would be below the moral issues of homosexuality and abortion, and below national security.
The choice at this time is between Bush and Kerry. It is a no brainer. It is GWB all the way.

I will not vote third party, as none has a ghost of a chance at this time. I might not vote anyway, as the Libs for instance do not take the stand that is necessary on the moral issues. If I could stop abortion and stop this homosexual snowball, I would give up some gun rights. So far that has never been the case, as the Republicans have the high ground on all those issues.

If you care about this nation, considering Supreme Court Justices, and Federal judges, and care about national security then you must vote for GWB.

Jerry
 
If I could stop abortion and stop this homosexual snowball...
I'm sorry, I'm still trying to figure out how something that two consenting adults do behind closed doors infringes upon any of your rights. Guess I'm a little slow that way.
 
Conservatives will remember and vote against a conservative if they break a promise ("read my lips"), while a liberal can lie, steal, and even murder (ahem I mean "accidentally drown") someone and they know that the liberal sheep will still vote for them year after year after year.

Until liberals hold their candidates to the same standard as conservatives do, our politics will become more and more debased and polarized.
 
I'm sorry, I'm still trying to figure out how something that two consenting adults do behind closed doors infringes upon any of your rights. Guess I'm a little slow that way.

If you're slow, so am I. I can't figure that out either. Probably because that's NOT what this is about. It's a free country. What they do behind closed doors is their business. But once they come out from behind closed doors and demand that I approve of their lifestyle and give them all the benefits of a legal marriage, then we have a problem.

Run of the mill, garden variety, one-man-one-woman heterosexual marriage is the foundation of a stable society. It has been since the dawn of time. This isn't just some fringe Christian lunacy. How many dozens of studies have we heard about how children who come from a stable two parent home are happier, healthier, better off, and so on and so forth? And those two parents need to be a man AND a woman. That complimentary combination provides everything a growing child needs. Take half away, even if you replace it with another of the other half (i.e. swap a woman for another man or vice versa), and you have problems. All the issues w/ boys who grow up w/o a father figure and have more problems, brushes w/ the law, and so on and so forth.

Besides the fact that one man and one woman make the best environment for rearing children, legalizing homosexual "marriage" directly attacks the prevalence of HETEROSEXUAL marriage. In Europe countries that have legalized the one have seen big drops in the other. If everyone can, what makes it special?

Finally, God created marriage to be a special bond between a man and a woman (and no one else). And I firmly believe he designed that with our good in mind. Besides the things I listed above regarding child rearing married couples themselves have also been found to be happier, healthier, wealthier, lower incidence of abuse, everything. Just because they are married. It's ridiculous how much better of married couples are. But that's what studies show. And I believe if we stray from God's plan we will suffer. And that, most of all, is why I believe gay "marriage" is something that must be stopped.
 
The Republicans assume conservatives have no choice but to vote for them. Now you know why I'll probably vote for Badnarik this election.

If the Republicans are going to keep ignoring the true, traditional conservatives among us, they deserve a loud wake-up call, not grudging acquiescence to the horrid Bush camp.
 
Bob Barr could bring enough name recognition to the Libertarian Party to give it a real boost at the polls. If folks like him, Gingrich, etc. could be persuaded to run on the LP ticket it might get that party rolling.
 
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