is corrosive ammo worth it?

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jason41987
Thank you so much for the concise, step by step instructions detailing exactly how you've reloaded "countless" steel cased 7.62x54r rounds.

I'm sure I'll encounter no further problems if I use the advanced, graduate level knowledge that you have been kind enough to provide.

I feel that I speak for many others when I say:
JOB WELL DONE!
 
The silence is deafening. But to give credit, he's probably busy hand carving a new stock for his Kar-98K project, selected because the 8mm cartridges has more "impact" than the .30-06 and is too busy to tell us how he manufactures primers... :rolleyes:


Willie

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willie.. instead of using your rather condescending and insulting sarcasm, try reading and youd explain how berdan primer pockets can be converted to boxer
 
Let's keep things on topic and avoid personal attacks, shall we? For what it's worth, I have heard of people converting Berdan primed cases to Boxer. There's several youtube videos available on how to do it (Iraqveteran88 has like a 20 minute series on it). I've never bothered, so I can't tell you any specifics.
 
aetheistanaegen, exactly my point, anyone who assumes it cant be done probably hasnt done it.. granted it is a bit tedious to initially get a case modified and probably not worth it if boxer cases are everywhere, i was actually more concerned with how many reloads you could get out of steel.. havent reloaded them more than 3 times yet, and no split cases yet either. but im not resizing these cases either, just leaving them fire formed to my rifle
 
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Nobody is reloading steel cased Russian surplus 7.62x54R cases because you cannot buy primers for the primer pocket diameter. They are an oversize diameter and you cannot convert them to a standard pocket.

So...well.... I'm just sayin'.... I'm more than skeptical of any such claims. :rolleyes:



"willie.. instead of using your rather condescending and insulting sarcasm, try reading and youd explain how berdan primer pockets can be converted to boxer "


I'm condescending because you're making claims that cannot be supported. Berdan pockets of standard diameter can be converted. Ones with diameters not matching available primers cannot be. And just for what it's worth, you're talking with an old double-rifle fan. Anyone who reloaded for them 20 years ago has been thru the entire berdan priming issue. Why don't you explain how to hydrostatically deprime berdan brass? It's a fun way to get wet. And, just to frame things, I've made odd flanged nitro express cases on a lathe from scratch out of bar stock, so... well.... <shrugs>... none of this is terribly new.

BTW, to keep with the original topic: We never worried about shooting corrosive ammunition in priceless double rifles. We just swabbed them down when we were done and put them back in their cases. I'm sure my .450 NE has had far more corrosive primers than not shot thru it since it was made in 1906 and it's as clean internally now as when Messrs. John Wilkes, Riflemakers by Appointment to HRH King George, 79 Beak Street, London, shipped it. Nowadays we have choices. Years ago we didn't. So worry about it in a Mosin or AK? Don't make me laugh... just shoot them.


Willie


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well since youve obviously read nothing and plan to use pure ignorance in some failed attempt to try to start something on here, im not going to bother writing anything you write either since its all a bunch of unnecessary condescending horse crap.. but hey, whatever makes you feel important.. moderators feel free to lock the thread if youd like.. this threads pretty much run its course
 
^^

LOVE to see some pics of your process to load these.....

Not too much to ask I don't think since you have apparently figured out how to do what nobody else has figured out... Worldwide. You must be very proud and I'm sure you're bursting to show how it's done.





Willie


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You're not being very high road there, Willie. You're also wrong. I have heard and seen people reloading 7.62x54r Berdan primed cases.

You might also try Googling sometime rather than insist on someone taking photos of their process on demand, merely to stop you calling them a liar:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?143958-Converting-Berdan-primer-pockets-to-Boxer
This guy used one method of drilling out the center of the Berdan primer and then seats SR primers into the drill mark, doesn't seem worth the effort to me, but people have done it.

Here's someone doing it with steel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7pMIDsozuM
 
ive already mentioned how its done, and AethelstanAegen has already pointed out the existance of youtube videos that show it in greater detail, at this point im not going to bother sitting here and listening to him tell me over and over again that i must be lying because the process just has to be impossible.. i think he's just bored and trolling
 
"You're not being very high road there, Willie"

Mebbe not <kicks dirt>.. I'm just tired of absolute nonsense being passed off as information though.



This guy used one method of drilling out the center of the Berdan primer and then seats SR primers into the drill mark, doesn't seem worth the effort to me, but people have done it.

Please note that these were BRASS CASES that accept the STANDARD SIZED PRIMERS after the center flash hole has been drilled.... not Russian steel cases that have a primer diameter substantially larger FOR WHICH NO SOURCE OF BOXER PRIMERS IN THAT DIAMETER EXIST.

Converting standard diameter pockets is easy, especially if they are rimmed cartridges and you have a lathe: Chuck them to the rim in a collet, hit the pocket with a correct diameter center cutting end mill, flip your tailstock turret over to the chuck that holds the drill, run the drill thru the web, flip the collet holder open, and toss in another case. Takes about... 10 seconds per case if you have a lathe. Lastly you run the brass using the punch that is desighed to remove the crimp on crimped military primers to finish swage the diameter. That's old hat for anyone who ever reloaded Kynoch brass for a .450 NE... ;-) I've still got the tooling someplace.

But you NEED PRIMERS of the right diameter and that's the missing link here.

So color me... skeptical of Jason's claims. Unless he's making primers, or has a huge stash of exremely rare RWS primers on hand that he bought about, oh... 20 years ago.


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Please note that these were BRASS CASES that accept the STANDARD SIZED PRIMERS after the center flash hole has been drilled.... not Russian steel cases that have a primer diameter substantially larger FOR WHICH NO SOURCE OF BOXER PRIMERS IN THAT DIAMETER EXIST.
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Except that they weren't, the brass also used the wrong size primer. In the end, he drilled out the Berdan primers and used them as a shim around boxer small rifle primers.

The second link is to a totally different guy that reladed STEEL 7.62x54r cases. I didn't watch the full second video, but he probably has a similar method to the first guy.

These are by the way, just the first two links in a Google search for "Berdan to Boxer." There were many, many more links that I didn't bother looking at after these two clearly demonstrated it was possible, albeit maybe not worth it in the end.
 
^^

But not by Jason.

There's been a lot of nonsense written here, and that's just what it is: Nonsense.


Willie

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AethelstanAegen said:
Except that they weren't, the brass also used the wrong size primer. In the end, he drilled out the Berdan primers and used them as a shim around boxer small rifle primers.

The second link is to a totally different guy that reladed STEEL 7.62x54r cases. I didn't watch the full second video, but he probably has a similar method to the first guy.

These are by the way, just the first two links in a Google search for "Berdan to Boxer." There were many, many more links that I didn't bother looking at after these two clearly demonstrated it was possible, albeit maybe not worth it in the end.
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so instead of swaging a brass bushing into the primer pocket hole he left the edges of the berdan primers and used that as the bushing and it worked?.. i never tried it that way, i always removed the berdans entirely and swaged a bushing into the primer pocket to fit the boxer primers.. i should try the other method too and see how well that works

btw, this is all WAY off the topic of corrosive ammunition and its effects on rifles
 
"i never tried it that way, i always removed the berdans entirely and swaged a bushing into the primer pocket to fit the boxer primers.."


Made from what?

Fabricated how?

Enquiring minds want to know.


Really.


Willie

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ive already mentioned it.. swaging a brass bushing into the primer pocket hole using a primer pocket swager for the large rifle boxer primers

actually.. berdans really arent so bad.. though more difficult to reload than boxers, they are simpler in design not having an anvil, if there was some kind of major event where you couldnt get reloading components at all, someone determined enough would have an easier time making berdans vs boxers
 
"swaging a brass bushing "


Made EXACTLY how and from EXACTLY what?

Youn never know, we all might need to know this one day... :p


Willie

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btw, this is all WAY off the topic of corrosive ammunition and its effects on rifles
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Agreed.

ive already mentioned it.. swaging a brass bushing into the primer pocket hole using a primer pocket swager for the large rifle boxer primers
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I'm actually pretty curious about this too. Would you be willing to make a thread sometime about how to do that? I've got a ton of brass that it'd be nice to be able to use. If you wouldn't mind making a thread about it next time you run a batch, I think Willie and I would both be very happy. It sounds like a more secure method than the drilled-out-Berdan-primer-shim. You've peaked my curiosity as well.
 
People, Start another thread in reloading, please if you want to continue this, this one is way off track from the original post.
 
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