Is "ladies day" at the shooting range sexist?

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The Story
Man goes to a shooting range, is told to pay $15 for lane rental fees. 2 women are in line behind him, and are told that the lane is free because of ladies' day. Man flips tables and sues the range for "reverse sexism."

My Take
The man in question brings up the concept in terms of racism, agism, and elitism, but the basic concept is that if they had a "man's day", then the range would be considered sexist.

Personally, I'm all for ladies' day, mainly because it means ladies will be at the range. However, I do see where the guy is coming from - why should they get special treatment just because they're women? However, our society has many "ladies night" events in other areas of entertainment, and I don't really see how this is any different. If it was clearly advertised, then it is this guy's fault for not understanding the information.

Also, they aren't charging him more because he's a man, they're running a promotion that women get charged less. What are your guys' thoughts on this suit, or ladies' nights in general?
 
If typical days the ladies are charged like the men are, and once in a while, the range holds a promotion for ladies to pay less or none, I can not see anything wrong with it. We all know there are more guys in this sport, let's see some more ladies and get the ladies involved. :)


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The guy planned on spending $15 regardless to go shooting. This guy probably complains when women get cheaper drinks at ladies night.

On the average he will make more than an equally qualified woman over the course of his lifetime to more than cover the $30 the females behind him didn't have to spend.
 
I see where he is coming from in an anti-affirmative-action sort of way, but it is the right of the business to run such a promotion. Is it wrong to give senior discounts at restaurants, or Apple to give discounts to students and teachers? My local sportsman's club charges $4 for nonmember trap, and $3 for members, but charges under 18 nonmembers the member price of $3. If this bothers the guy, he should find another range.
 
Absolutely it is by any reasonable definition of the word. Do I support it? You bet.

It's more important to get past labeling activities based upon their respective "inclusiveness" than to pander to labelers out there.
 
I guess that business owners have the right to do that kind of thing, and anything that helps women get into the sport of shooting is good, but I'm not going to say that I agree with it. It's about like Gay Day or whatever they call it at Disney land. If they had a straight day there, you could bet there would be all kinds of lawsuits.

I just feel that there shouldn't be any preference, I guess. And before y'all start calling me sexist or anything like that, my wife agrees with me.
 
You know, I think there's a difference between having a <arbitrary social line> Day or even a Man's Day from having a Ladies Day. If you have a Ladies day, men are going to want to show up for that, so you're not really excluding anyone. If you have a "gay day" and a "straight day" then people are going to prefer that day and not go for the other.
 
It doesn't bother me in the least. I suppose if someone sued, and won, it would change, but why would anyone fuss, unless the were just jealous the ladies were getting a good deal on ladies day.
 
I do not see any discrimination. If the range charged less for women every day then he would have a case. A company should be able to run promotions.

If he doesn't like how someone runs their business then go somewhere else. I am sick and tired of of these frivolous law suits.
 
Also, they aren't charging him more because he's a man, they're running a promotion that women get charged less. What are your guys' thoughts on this suit, or ladies' nights in general?
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While I don't care too much about the discounts, this is a pointless distinction. Mathematically they're the same, and beyond that semantics mean nothing. Whether its a discount or a surcharge, he's still paying more because of his gender.

When it comes to the "isms", I see it as more acceptable when it's used in an attempt to include people rather than exclude people.

For example, the clientele of a shooting range is mostly male. That's an understood and well known fact. Offering a discount to female customers is an action taken to INCLUDE people who normally wouldn't be there. Positive action.

Take another example: lets say that the range had a $150 per day fee and then setup "Caucasion Day" where the fee is $10. In that case, the primary clientele of the range is likely already white, and its obvious that the "discount" is being used to EXCLUDE non-whites. Negative action.

As already stated, take bars for example: when I was in college it was common to see a few different approaches. One, was bars that had a "ladies night", where either drinks and/or admission were discounted. That's fine - its an attempt to get more women in the doors.

Now, some others had an admission policy of "18 for girls, 21 for guys". That policy is being used to exclude males in the 18-21 category while allowing girls in that category (mainly so that guys over 21 will buy them drinks). That type of policy I'm not OK with.
 
One thing to remember, not every woman is a lady. But...I'd hate to be the one having to differentiate on discount day. :what:
 
Not saying its okay to sue them but I don't think its okay that women get special treatment throughout their entire lives simply because of their gender. IF most of your patrons are men wouldn't it make sense to give them a break? Simply because they pay to keep your lights on. Where as a woman shows up maybe once in a while and gets a discount. How does it make sense? At least at a bar the more women usually means more business because men follow women. But , the nature of bars and gun ranges are completely different. To me it would be no different if they had Unspecified ethnicity pay half price Wednesdays. Just because you want more of a certain demographic you shouldn't make anything special for them. Want more business give everyone the same break.
 
Not saying its okay to sue them but I don't think its okay that women get special treatment throughout their entire lives simply because of their gender. IF most of your patrons are men wouldn't it make sense to give them a break? Simply because they pay to keep your lights on. Where as a woman shows up maybe once in a while and gets a discount. How does it make sense? At least at a bar the more women usually means more business because men follow women. But , the nature of bars and gun ranges are completely different. To me it would be no different if they had Unspecified ethnicity pay half price Wednesdays. Just because you want more of a certain demographic you shouldn't make anything special for them. Want more business give everyone the same break.
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If the men are the one's normally coming ("keeping the lights on" ) then you might not be able to keep the lights on if you gave THEM a discount. Its about bringing in new customers.

Similarly, I'd expect the clientele of a day spa to be mostly female. I wouldn't see any issue with a business like that offering a "Men's Day" with discounts for the male customers. They might bring in some people who normally wouldn't visit and with that they earn a new customer.
 
Sexism is simply expressing some preference on the basis of the preferentially treated person's gender.

So, this is absolutely and undeniably sexism. And in a similar sense, I am a sexist because I date only women rather than men.

When did it become wrong to recognize that there are real differences between the genders?

I'd like to see more female shooters and fewer female antis; ladies' day helps turn antis into shooters, so I have zero problem with ladies' day at a range. Futhermore, if this sort of promotion boosts the range's bottom line - and it probably does - then that can help moderate prices for everyone.

The guy suing probably doesn't really mind either; more likely, he simply saw a means to get some notoriety and perhaps a big monetary settlement or jury award.

I hope he loses.
 
If the owner of a firing range wants to have a Ladies Day, Kids Day, Veterans Day, Old Folks Day, Active-Duty Military Day, Law-Enforcement Day, New Shooter Day, etc as a promotion, then that's his business.
 
Bubbles said:
If the owner of a firing range wants to have a Ladies Day, Kids Day, Veterans Day, Old Folks Day, Active-Duty Military Day, Law-Enforcement Day, New Shooter Day, etc as a promotion, then that's his business.
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Agreed.

I think the government sticks its nose into people's business to much as it is.

I understand where he is coming from, given the way our society often works, but don't agree that it should work that way and don't agree that he should be making a big deal about this. Pay your $15 and shoot, and maybe be happy there are more wimminz there
 
I do not see any discrimination. If the range charged less for women every day then he would have a case
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Not really, gender is one of the protected classes for which discrimination cannot be used

The guy is an idiot - we need those soccer moms to become progun, not antis, they do make up 53% of the population after all
 
This is what is ruining this country. It is the owners prerogative to run his business as he/she likes. If this guy didnt like ladies day, he has two options, go shoot somewhere else (good luck finding a place that doesnt have a ladies day) or shut your mouth, pay your money and go shoot. These kinds of lawsuits should not be allowed to be brought against business' so easily. I cant even imagine the financial burden of defending himself against a law suit like this. This disgust me so much. I love ladies day. I go every Monday and take my wife and daughter to shoot. Cost me 15$ for the three of us. If this guy had a wife or daughter that like to shoot it wouldn't even be a issue.
 
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