Is Magpul playing both sides?
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Absurd and incorrect.
Magpul if fighting this front and dedicating everything they have to it. If the folks in CO loose this battle there's a HUGE hole in our efforts. Loose CO to the Antis and we risk a lot more than some posturing about not selling products that hardly matter to some cop in NY.
And there is this - I get the ideological reasons to not sell to AWB states and I support it. But I also get the idea of taking their money and using it against them. And if Magpul is selling to CO residents basically the same way they would expedite for LEO sales, and ship for $5... Well I can understand making up some of that profit margin somewhere.
I see both sides of it. Don't like the whole issue at all, but for some companies it's a no-win. Can't alienate us AND they can't alienate LEO/gov't sales... Because our demand as the shooting public is not unlimited and ongoing. Once we have our dozen or fifty magazines, we won't need to buy any more. But LEO and Gov't agencies will always be buying more. Alienating those buyers now could hurt any company that has a share of that market in the future. And I need companies like Magpul and D&H and Colt and Ruger in the future to keep the civilian popularion of America armed and free. I want them to stay in business.
But If any of you are planning to order ten thousand magazines every year from now til you die, please let me know so I will understand my error.
I see both sides of it. Don't like the whole issue at all, but for some companies it's a no-win. Can't alienate us AND they can't alienate LEO/gov't sales... Because our demand as the shooting public is not unlimited and ongoing. Once we have our dozen or fifty magazines, we won't need to buy any more. But LEO and Gov't agencies will always be buying more. Alienating those buyers now could hurt any company that has a share of that market in the future. And I need companies like Magpul and D&H and Colt and Ruger in the future to keep the civilian popularion of America armed and free. I want them to stay in business.
But If any of you are planning to order ten thousand magazines every year from now til you die, please let me know so I will understand my error.
mastiffhound
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Yes. If us "civilians" are banned from owning anything more than 7 or 10 rounds the only ones left to sell to will be Law Enforcement.
nwilliams
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I think Magpul and these other companies are doing the right thing by restricting sales to LE in States where civilians can't own the same.
Law Enforcement is not there nor are they required by law to protect you and your family. The primary job of LE is to solve crimes, not stop them. Also keep in mind that if someone is trying to harm you and or your family don't expect the cops to be there in time to save you, it's that kind of thinking that causes too many people to loose their lives every year, it's your job to protect yourself and those you care about.
Why should a LEO have better means to protect themselves and their families than the general public? The same bad guys that are a threat to LE are a threat to everyone else as well, LE and the public should be allowed to protect themselves equally from the same threats.
Law Enforcement is not there nor are they required by law to protect you and your family. The primary job of LE is to solve crimes, not stop them. Also keep in mind that if someone is trying to harm you and or your family don't expect the cops to be there in time to save you, it's that kind of thinking that causes too many people to loose their lives every year, it's your job to protect yourself and those you care about.
Why should a LEO have better means to protect themselves and their families than the general public? The same bad guys that are a threat to LE are a threat to everyone else as well, LE and the public should be allowed to protect themselves equally from the same threats.
mgmorden
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Federal legislation isn't likely to pass, and Magpul already makes 5 and 10 round mags which I'm sure would still sell just fine in the event of another ban.
That said, I don't fault them too much. Most of the companies that have announced a "no LEO sales in restricted states" policy likely didn't have a significant market share there anyways, making it a mostly symbolic gesture.
Basically, everyone wants Magpul to do things their way, but no one wants to consider what responsibilities they have.
Magpul is in the business to sell mags, and big contract customers are their business. That means the US Government, Great Britain, and Mid East buyers - like the ones getting the new six.eight AR's with the enlarged mag well. The Brits were a 1 million unit deal. So were the Marines.
Those contracts have penalty clauses for non performance, the company has employees who need paychecks, and the soldiers and LEO's who use the magazines will be literally saving peoples lives with them. But, for some, the political value of a boycott seems to be more important.
Magpul is responding to things like an adult, and not understanding the full picture seems to be the real issue. There's no "not selling mags to ban states" option for them. It's exactly what they do for business, unlike other companies who are largely dependent on public sales. It's why we haven't seen similar pronouncements from Glock, SIG, HK, etc.
It doesn't mean they aren't concerned or care. But, unlike the NY law which didn't exempt LEO's, they understand that things handled with a view of the long term is what will fix the current problem. They understand it's not going to be easy - they really don't have to move from CO, but they are willing to shoulder the expense and do it anyway.
If you were an employee there and just heard the announcement your job was moving hundreds of miles away from family, friends, schools, and resident hunting tags, how would you feel about it?
What I see is yet another example of the overzealous expectation that Magpul do everything in it's power to satisfy the whims of a few consumers. It's why they don't announce ship dates on new products, and after this, I can easily see them not making any public announcements about when and where they might move. Their fans are actually more problem than their enemies - we all understand where the gun banners are coming from and what they propose, the fanboys, who knows what will tick them off and start another heel kicking fit?
Magpul is in the business to sell mags, and big contract customers are their business. That means the US Government, Great Britain, and Mid East buyers - like the ones getting the new six.eight AR's with the enlarged mag well. The Brits were a 1 million unit deal. So were the Marines.
Those contracts have penalty clauses for non performance, the company has employees who need paychecks, and the soldiers and LEO's who use the magazines will be literally saving peoples lives with them. But, for some, the political value of a boycott seems to be more important.
Magpul is responding to things like an adult, and not understanding the full picture seems to be the real issue. There's no "not selling mags to ban states" option for them. It's exactly what they do for business, unlike other companies who are largely dependent on public sales. It's why we haven't seen similar pronouncements from Glock, SIG, HK, etc.
It doesn't mean they aren't concerned or care. But, unlike the NY law which didn't exempt LEO's, they understand that things handled with a view of the long term is what will fix the current problem. They understand it's not going to be easy - they really don't have to move from CO, but they are willing to shoulder the expense and do it anyway.
If you were an employee there and just heard the announcement your job was moving hundreds of miles away from family, friends, schools, and resident hunting tags, how would you feel about it?
What I see is yet another example of the overzealous expectation that Magpul do everything in it's power to satisfy the whims of a few consumers. It's why they don't announce ship dates on new products, and after this, I can easily see them not making any public announcements about when and where they might move. Their fans are actually more problem than their enemies - we all understand where the gun banners are coming from and what they propose, the fanboys, who knows what will tick them off and start another heel kicking fit?
When on duty my job is to run TO the gunfire and stop the threat. If you believe it should be with just a 7 rd mag in the sidearm, or a 10 rd mag for the long gun, write your Governor.
What's interesting in this "debate" are the opinions of those who are FOR restricting magazine capacity for L.E..
We are now eating each other alive and the antis are loving it: stop with the blanket generalizations that all LEOs are friends of BHO and this attack on 2A rights.
Magpul has taken a stance to leave CO and take the jobs elsewhere-how is that a betrayal?
I can't tell when the reasoning stopped and the trolling began, to try and slander a great company which has served many of us, so well. Unreal.
What's interesting in this "debate" are the opinions of those who are FOR restricting magazine capacity for L.E..
We are now eating each other alive and the antis are loving it: stop with the blanket generalizations that all LEOs are friends of BHO and this attack on 2A rights.
Magpul has taken a stance to leave CO and take the jobs elsewhere-how is that a betrayal?
I can't tell when the reasoning stopped and the trolling began, to try and slander a great company which has served many of us, so well. Unreal.
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