Is my CZ 75 supposed to do this?

[Walt Sherrill]

And I applaud the fact that your Glock ownership was past-tense.

My ownership of those particular Glocks (17, 34, and 35) is past-tense, but I still have a 23 (with 9mm, .40, and .357 SIG barrels) and a 38. (I shoot the Glock 38 [.45 GAP] better than any .45 I've owned, and I've owned a few.)

I only have one CZ at the moment (an 85 Combat) with a Kadet Kit, but also have a custom AT-84s that was supposedly made by Jim Boland, (but no proof of his craftsmanship -- except the quality of the gun); they are among my favorites. The Custom AT-84s is superb; I had a couple of Sphinx pistols, and found the custom AT-84s superior in all respects, and that's no small thing. It still seems strange to me, but I like both CZs and Glocks -- both have their own unique traits that I find admirable.

The history of the CZ-75 is really interesting, and I continue to wonder what might have happened if it had been allowed to sell as widely in the West as it deserved. The design is finally getting the recognition it deserves here in the U.S. I hope to get a P-07 or P-09, one of these days; I've yet to even see one in person.

It's really hard to find definitive details about the history of CZ production; anything you can add to the discussion is appreciated.

The reason for my first response was to simply point out that they were all different gun designs with different purposes, with different designers.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

Walt -

I fully agree that the history of Česká zbrojovka is pretty hard to nail down, what with all the weapons, machine parts, equipment, and motorcycle subsidiaries and off-shoots. Of course, as we've said, some weapons were made in Strakonice and some in Uhersky Brod. And there was (is?) something about stamping all rifles "Brno", regardless of where they were made. And some early Uhersky Brod pistols being stamped "Praha" because the company headquarters was in Prague. It's almost as confusing as Chrysler Corporation!

Best regards.

 

[viking499]

It's almost as confusing as Chrysler Corporation!

But the CZ runs so much better than a Chrysler.......

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

But the CZ runs so much better than a Chrysler.......

Thank God for that. (Although, it's my understanding that all new Chrysler products will come with a complimentary pizza and two cannolis!)

 

[Ash]

There were 50's made at Uhersky Brod, true. None of the 52's were. But, those 50's made at UB had a different serial number series. Now, take a look at most Model 70's. How many bear CZ-70 type serial numbers and how many bear early CZ-50 serial numbers? A large, very large, number of CZ-70's are just refurbed Cz-50's.

Indeed, a good many 50's were also made at CZ-Praha. But you have to understand the nature of CZ. Under Communist rule, CZ was not the same as, say, Colt or Remington. Think of it more like Winchester. It was merely a name transferred from factory to factory. CZ Strakonice is like Winchester made by Winchester. CZ-UB is like Winchester made by US Repeating Arms. During CZ-82/83 production (early) CZ was just a name, it was part of AGROZET.

And don't correct my nomenclature. If we want to get pissy with how to name it, until CZ-UB privatized, then CZ should not even be used in any kind of naming. VZ 50, VZ 52, VZ 70, VZ 82, VZ 75, etc. If my dash offends, get over it.

The CZ-52 wasn't made by the same company that makes the CZ-75.

Even so, comparing the features of a the Models 50, 52, 70, and 82 - the vast majority of which are on the market as surplus and are 30-60 years old now - with that of the Model 75 doesn't work well because they are completely different designs from completely different design groups (except that the 70 and 50 are the same design). If my Mazda has problems with a sicky accelerator pedal and one comments that his Mazda 3 doesn't, well, that's not a surprise because my Mazda was made by Ford while your Mazda was made by Mazda in Japan.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

There were 50's made at Uhersky Brod, true. None of the 52's were. But, those 50's made at UB had a different serial number series. Now, take a look at most Model 70's. How many bear CZ-70 type serial numbers and how many bear early CZ-50 serial numbers? A large, very large, number of CZ-70's are just refurbed Cz-50's.

Indeed, a good many 50's were also made at CZ-Praha. But you have to understand the nature of CZ. Under Communist rule, CZ was not the same as, say, Colt or Remington. Think of it more like Winchester. It was merely a name transferred from factory to factory. CZ Strakonice is like Winchester made by Winchester. CZ-UB is like Winchester made by US Repeating Arms. During CZ-82/83 production (early) CZ was just a name, it was part of AGROZET.

And don't correct my nomenclature. If we want to get pissy with how to name it, until CZ-UB privatized, then CZ should not even be used in any kind of naming. VZ 50, VZ 52, VZ 70, VZ 82, VZ 75, etc. If my dash offends, get over it.

The CZ-52 wasn't made by the same company that makes the CZ-75.

Even so, comparing the features of a the Models 50, 52, 70, and 82 - the vast majority of which are on the market as surplus and are 30-60 years old now - with that of the Model 75 doesn't work well because they are completely different designs from completely different design groups (except that the 70 and 50 are the same design). If my Mazda has problems with a sicky accelerator pedal and one comments that his Mazda 3 doesn't, well, that's not a surprise because my Mazda was made by Ford while your Mazda was made by Mazda in Japan.

Well I, for one, certainly wouldn't want to get "pissy" with you and will endeavor to "get over it". We all thank you for the history lesson and hope that you have a nice day.

 

[Ash]

It's going to be a fine day. I'm sitting here, drinking coffee with chicory, and watching the roads ice up.

 

[rbernie]

The point of my post was to voice disagreement with "rbernie"'s assertion that this is a problem common to all ČZ pistols. Again, as I said, it has never happened with any the ones which I own.

My reference would clearly have been better stated as 'common to all CZ-75B variants'. I failed to include the specific reference since since the OP was specifically referencing the CZ-75B. My apologies for being unclear and causing undue emotional strife in the thread.

In the FWIW department, I own/have owned four (4) CZ75Bs in 40S&W, four (4) CZ75Bs in 9x19, and three (3) CZ-97Bs in 45ACP. All of the -75Bs were bought new by me, and all of the -97Bs were used when I bought them. Every single one of the -75Bs and two of the three -97Bs would drop the slide when I inserted a magazine forcefully. Dunno 'bout y'all, but it seems to me that it's just the way that they work.

<shrug>

Carry on, then.

 

[Armor Snail]

My 75 won't. My Canik clone will.

 

[djm3801]

Thank God for that. (Although, it's my understanding that all new Chrysler products will come with a complimentary pizza and two cannolis!)

Agree - you'd need to offer the bribe to buy one - just my opinion. What ever happened to the old 225 slant 6 and 383 quality? I am a Toyota guy myself but... I have a CZ75-P01 and this has never happened to me. I do not think I would like it as I am a bit of a control freak on how machinery behaves.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

What ever happened to the old 225 slant 6 and 383 quality? I am a Toyota guy myself but... I have a CZ75-P01 and this has never happened to me. I do not think I would like it as I am a bit of a control freak on how machinery behaves.

We all seem to forget, but back when Chrysler's reputation for engineering excellence was at it's peak, durability and reliability were NOT all that common in ANY of the autos we could buy. (When I started college back in the late 60's, I spent far too much time keeping my car running and oil changed, etc., etc. Repairs, valve jobs, tuneups were a fact of life. A dwell meter and timing light were commonly seen in a lot of garages, along with hefty toolboxes. I can't remember when I LAST did a tune up -- my Toyota only needs plugs replaced at 100K miles! It seems that qualities we now take for granted in our cars only became important after the Japanese got into the car business in a big way and gave Detroit something to worry about.

In recent years, Chrysler seems to be slowly working its way back to the front of the pack with some innovative designs -- and they're done well with their truck designs.

(I like Toyotas, too, but my next car may be a Mazda -- they're more fun to drive.)

As for SIGs, Glocks, CZs, etc. I like them all. About the only ones I haven't had, yet, are H&Ks -- and I'm in no rush. Have shot them, though.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

At the time, I considered my new 1966 VW Beetle one of the best-made cars on the road. It even had a fuel gauge! Now I think back on having no oil filter, having to adjust the valves every 6,000 miles, and nothing in front of me except the spare tire and the gas tank.

 

[piece of meat]

My cz would do this consistently, and thru thousands of rounds showed no indication that anything was 'broken' or worn down.
I loved it. That CZ had the best mag release and was by far the fastest gun to reload I've ever seen.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

My own - a 75D Compact - does not do this, but I don't care either way as long as the cartridge does chamber. I was planning to reload anyway.

 

[jjones45]

The only gun I couldn't get to do this was a m&p9c a buddy of mine has. However, his slide release was soo tight it was hardly functional. He sent it back to smith so he could manipulate the release reasonably and low and behold when it came back when mags were inserted with a little force it went into battery. I have had almost at least one gun from all the gun manufacturers or handled them and the only ones I find that you have to really ram in the mags are 1911s to make this happen