CZ-75 Issue

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I'm the match director of our Club's military rifle and pistol matches, and having owned a number of CZ 75 and 85 series pistols, if I saw your gun do this during a match I would have you clear the pistol and remove it from competition as a defective firearm. If someone can show me in a CZ Owners Manual where the gun is supposed to do this as a matter of normal operation, then I'll relent.

If the gun is doing something it was not designed to do, particularly acting in a manner contrary to the owners manual, and especially slamming forward and chambering a new round when you did not order it to do so, then it is defective and you should call CZUSA or CZcustom.com and stop using the gun until it is repaired. Let your owners manual or the factory techs be your guide here.

JayPee
 
My CZ 97b does this too, if mag is slammed in hard. Sometimes, it needs to be too, with the mag full, the mag spring is at full tension.

My 97 has relatively few rounds through it; maybe 500 max.

I'm not sure if the manual says this is supposed to happen, as I have not read it.

I think you should lighten up on this particular issue, JayPee. As long as good muzzle and trigger discipline are followed, there's no hazard.


-Jeremy
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Lots of guns do this when new, or do it after they've been broken in through the first 1,000 rds or so.

Many, if not most, serious competitive shooters (in the "practical" or "action" shooting disciplines, at least) consider it quite a bonus as it makes on-the-clock reloads faster, if your gun does it reliably.

I know of no reason why a CZ would be especially dangerous if the slide closes with a vigorous mag slap.

(Hee hee, and my shooters would have my head on a stake outside the range gates if I tried to DQ someone because their gun "malfunctioned" this way! :D)
 
Be sure the slide stop and its notch in the slide are not worn and that the round always chambers, otherwise it doesn't hurt anything. You were planning to reload anyway, right? ;)
 
Sam1911:
(Hee hee, and my shooters would have my head on a stake outside the range gates if I tried to DQ someone because their gun "malfunctioned" this way! :D)

AMEN! to that. :cuss:

If my 75B didn't reliably feed on a firm mag change, I'd pay money to make it do so. Mine has since new, over 30+K rds ago..
I believe the top round in the mag "bumps' the slide up and releases it from the slide stop.


My Sig will do it , but not with a normal fast tactical mag change.
My son's CZ Custom Shadow does it reliably.
 
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Mine hasn't done this, but then again I don't slap my lady around like that. ;)
 
Ben86,
I normally run a stage with 3 mag changes, but sometimes 4. That's a significant amount of 'slide release' time wasted.
 
SP01 Phantom, My brothers does it. I don't see the problem. CZ forum people call it a bonus to what he tells me! :D
 
CZ Customer service told me
"Yes that is normal, new guns will do the same if you seat the magazine firmly. Any type of gun that has a spring assisted slide stop that keeps the slide stop in the down position will do the same, Glocks and Sigs name a few others to do same"

Glad it is designed to do it. I like it!!:D
 
I've never had my CZ phantom do that to me, but I wouldn't be bothered by it.

An acquaintance of mine has an H&K that does that reliably.

I think treating it as an unsafe gun or a malfunctioning gun and removing it from a competition is taking it way too far. One reason I like more informal matches.
 
I'm the match director of our Club's military rifle and pistol matches, and having owned a number of CZ 75 and 85 series pistols, if I saw your gun do this during a match I would have you clear the pistol and remove it from competition as a defective firearm. If someone can show me in a CZ Owners Manual where the gun is supposed to do this as a matter of normal operation, then I'll relent.

Once upon a time I had a pistol that had a tendency to lock the slide open prematurely.

There was nothing inherently unsafe about this, and the only way that I found out that my gun had a tendency to do this action that wasn't detailed in the manual was via shooting competitively.

Lo and behold, at a local [action pistol match that wasn't USPSA], the gun locked open part way through a stage. Thinking the gun was empty, I dumped the magazine and inserted a fresh one.

After completing the course of fire, the RO told me he was assessing me a penalty for failing to retain a partially filled magazine. I related what happened, that the magazine was dumped as a result of a malfunction. His response was "you can either take the penalty or I can give you a match DQ for using an unsafe weapon."

Now, there is nothing inherently unsafe about what my gun did.

Nor is there anything inherently unsafe in the function of the OP's handgun. In fact, many handguns will drop the slide if the magazine is forcefully inserted.

Threatening someone with a DQ because their gun does something that isn't directly mentioned in the manual, but is consistent with the laws of physics is, frankly, a phenomenal way to drive people away from the sport. Point of fact, the match I participated in where I was threatened with a DQ was one of the last times I opted to compete at one of these [action pistol matches that isn't USPSA.]
 
CZ Customer service told me
"Yes that is normal, new guns will do the same if you seat the magazine firmly. Any type of gun that has a spring assisted slide stop that keeps the slide stop in the down position will do the same, Glocks and Sigs name a few others to do same"

Glad it is designed to do it. I like it!!:D
Intresting.My glocks dont do this.
 
Intresting.My glocks dont do this.

Run them hard, put some serious miles on them, and do high-speed "action/practical" style mag changes, and they probably will.

Not all guns do. Not all guns that will, will do so right away. Not all shooters are slapping mags home with enough force to encourage it.
 
My buddy just purchased the same gun. He has only put 400 rounds through it and it currently does not do this. It will be interesting when he gets around 1k rounds to see if it acts like mine. Ill keep you all posted.
 
I'm the match director of our Club's military rifle and pistol matches, and having owned a number of CZ 75 and 85 series pistols, if I saw your gun do this during a match I would have you clear the pistol and remove it from competition as a defective firearm. If someone can show me in a CZ Owners Manual where the gun is supposed to do this as a matter of normal operation, then I'll relent.

One USPSA/IPSC International level Master Shooter I know tweaks his guns so that they'll all slam shut when the mag is rammed home. Another, Angus Hobdell, a very competent gunsmith and competitive shooter, says he makes sure all of his guns used in competition do this.

Neither of these well-known gentlemen has been disqualified for having an unsafe weapon.

My Glock 34 would do it consistently, if I slammed the mag home with proper force. (I now have a 35, and haven't shot it enough to even check that "feature".) One of my CZs will do this. I wish more would.

I fail to see how this is UNSAFE, particularly since the next functional step in using the weapon, either in continuing fire or holstering the weapon, would be to release the slide.

Owners manual are notoriously poor reference tools and training aids, and typically do NOT address far more important (real rather than imagined) safety issues, like the hammer following the slide.

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my 75b does this too. i see it as a plus, between the crisp magazine drop and the automatic chambering of the first round it is by far the fastest reloading gun ive ever used. and its never failed to lock the slide on an empty mag so no complaints here
 
My CZ75 will do it but not consistently enough to count on to speed up the reload.

My Plastic M&P will do it consistently enough to count on to speed up the reload, but not 100%, I will very occasionally have to trip the slide stop manually.

I have seen Glocks do it consistently to the point that their owners will whack the floorplate again if the slide does not close; instead of reaching for the slide stop or slide.

Such behavior is common enough that shooters come to depend on it.
The only problem I have seen is that if the slide stop engagement is set too light, the slide can close on an empty chamber before it can pick up a round.

If JayPee considers that dangerous and issues DQs, he is going to have a lot smaller attendance at shoots he officiates at. Where did you say that was?

Now if we could just set up the magazine catch so an empty magazine would be automatically dropped like a Garand spits out an empty clip, we could do some very easy fast reloads.
 
I have seen Glocks do it consistently to the point that their owners will whack the floorplate again if the slide does not close; instead of reaching for the slide stop or slide.

I've watched otherwise decent shooters lose precious seconds whacking their mag two, three, four times, trying to get the slide to drop! Kind of a "cringe" moment. :)
 
Jim Watson said:
I have seen Glocks do it consistently to the point that their owners will whack the floorplate again if the slide does not close; instead of reaching for the slide stop or slide.

Such behavior is common enough that shooters come to depend on it.
Sam1911 said:
I've watched otherwise decent shooters lose precious seconds whacking their mag two, three, four times, trying to get the slide to drop!
This is a good point. Even if your handgun usually runs the slide home by itself after a mag change, you should never depend on it to do so every time. Always be ready to manually close the slide, either by "slingshotting" or the slide stop (whichever you prefer).

Apocalypse-Now said:
stop slamming your mags in hard.
We're only talking about seating it with firm pressure, not whacking it with a mallet. ;)
 
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