Is My Saiga 308 Conversion 922r Compliant?

[4Freedom]

I purchased the following Saiga conversion parts from Carolina Shooter
supply and had a gunsmith do the conversion. I noticed that the pistol grip
was made in Israel, which made me a bit concerned. I am wondering with the following parts listed here from the purchase, if my Saiga 308 would fulfill
the 922r compliancy requirements. I also will be using American made
Surefire magazines, which I was thinking count as 3 parts, am I correct?
With the Surefire mags and the parts listed, would my converted Saiga then
be legal under the 922r compliancy? Do certain parts here not fulfill the
922r compliancy? If there is any other modifications I need to make it
legal then I would like to know or if from what I have listed, the gun would
be legal, then it would be reassuring for me to know. Thank you.

>> 1 GRIP AK/SAIGA <b>CAA AG47 (made in Israel, not 922r compliant)
>> 1 TRIGGER GROUP-<B>TROMIX SAIGA FIRE CONTROL GROUP (website says counts as 3 parts)
>> 1 GRIP-SAIGA/AK GRIP SCREW AND BUSHING
>> 1 STOCK-ACE FOR ALL SAIGA'S AND AK47'S 8.5"
>> 1 RECEIVER-TROMIX BACK PLATE
>> 1 STOCK-FOLDING MECHANISM SAIGA/AK47

>> Surefire American mags (Told that it counts as 3 922r compliant parts)

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

if you use U.S. mags and a U.S. trigger group than you are golden.

saigas start with 14 foreign parts. when using high cap mags or a pistol grip you need to have it at 10 or under. you have 14-3-3+1
you're good

 

[Walkalong]

Just can't use foreign mags.

 

[MD_Willington]

Saiga rifles start with 14, the shotguns have 13.

 

[4Freedom]

Yes, but be aware I put an Israeli made pistol grip on the gun, so that will make the total foreign part count up to 15. SO, now that I have mentioned this to you, would you say that I am still 922r compliant? I didn't realize the grip was made in Israel until after I got my converted gun back, since my gunsmith did the conversion.

you have 14-3-3+1

Where are you getting this number from? From what I see listed, I am not sure if the parts added or modified resulted in the loss of 6 parts. That is what I am trying to figure out. The addiiton of the Israeli pistol grip has kinda screwed things up. I like the Israeli grip and would hate to lose it.


Heres the 14 parts that a Saiga 308 comes with from the factory:
(1) Receiver
(2) Barrels
(3) Mounting blocks, trunnion (rifles only)
(4) Bolts
(5) Bolt carriers
(6) Gas pistons
(7) Triggers
(8) Hammers
(9) Disconnectors
(10) Buttstock
(11) Forearms, handguards
(12) Magazine bodies
(13) Followers
(14) Floorplates

And I added:
(15) My Israeli CAA Pistol grip

So, from this list and from the parts I listed, can people tell me the 5 parts I removed, to make my converted Saiga a total of 10 parts? I am a bit confused. It seems each item here listed is a single part.

This is what I see that I removed:
(1) Trigger
(2) Hammer
(3) Buttstock
(4) Magazine Bodies

So, it seems I have 11 foreign parts on the gun. Maybe I am wrong. From the parts list I described, can anyone see what other foreign parts were removed? I am not sure about the Disconnectors, Floor plate or Followers. From the items I purchased for the conversion, would these have resulted in the removal of these russian parts in particular?

 

[lvcat2004]

trigger group -3
mag -3
israeli grip +1

 

[4Freedom]

Yeah, but if you can look at the 922r compliancy list, they count the trigger and magazine as just 1 part. There is still 12 other russian parts in the gun, excluding these. With the 922r compliancy, it is not the total American parts, but rather the total number of foreign parts on the gun. That is my concern.

My confusion is coming from the post on the Saiga-12 board, if someone can read this, maybe they can tell me what they think:
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=18530

 

[lvcat2004]

When we saty "trigger group" it's 3 parts: trigger, hammer, disconnector.

"magazine" = maggazine, follower, fllor plate.

So those things equal 6 parts.

 

[dmckean44]

Doesn't the stock count as one part also?

 

[4Freedom]

Bravo.. Thanks lvcat for this explanation.. I have to admit I got confused and I am a noob, so I am ignorant. I didn't realize that when the person from Dinzag arms listed the seperate parts, that it was actually listing parts composed by the trigger group and magazine assembly.

I feel much better now.. Thank you.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

Lvcat beat me to it. Enjoy the new rifle. I prefer FBMG mags to surefire myself, but they are a touch hard to get a hold of right now. I hear that'll be changing shortly however.

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

oops, sorry i shoulda explained that. yeah, so with a pistol grip, a U.S. mag, and a U.S. trigger group, that puts you at 14-6+1, making it 9 foreign parts, which is just fine.

 

[Bill_Rights]

In what states does 922r come into play? I don't get this reg or law. Looked a bit but coundn't find a good summary. The best I found was One Officer. Any better summary?

 

[heron]

In what states does 922r come into play?

All of 'em; it's a federal law.

Where you run into extra confusion is state-by-state. Some states, like Ohio here, just take 922r and leave it at that; others, like NY and NJ, have additional restrictions.