Is old ammo/powder toxic

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I had some fiocchi shotgun ammo that I left in my car for about 2 years that I fired today, the smoke had a strong sulfur smell. I don't know if that is normal with fiocchi because I have never fired fiocchi before. Other ammo I shoot usually Remington or Federal does not smell like sulfur. Anyways after I was done shooting I noticed that the skin on my face felt very irritated. I found this thread on on old gun powder that said

"You can tell if a can of powder is good or bad by giving its contents a sniff test. If the smell ranges from no detectable odor to resembling alcohol, ether or acetone (from its solvent content), it is okay. If you get a terribly unpleasant, acidic odor that fries your nasal passages, extreme deterioration has taken place. The odor is difficult to describe, but my nose says the experience is quite a bit like taking a strong whiff of the fumes produced by muriatic acid.

Any change—regardless of whether it is physical, chemical or otherwise—indicates time for disposal. If a brown or rust-colored fume escapes from the container when you open it, the powder is unsuitable for use. The plastic cap on one of the containers of powder that went bad on me was originally blue in color, and the chemical changes that took place inside had actually bleached it snow white. Sudden rusting of the metal cap of a container is also a sure sign of bad things going on inside."


This, along with the irritation I feel on my face makes me wonder if old ammo or powder becomes toxic or something. The person saying old powder smells smells like muriatic (hydrochloric) acid and can bleach stuff white, does it become highly acidic or what chemical changes take place?
 
I could be wrong, but I don't believe nitrocellulose powders actually become caustic from the breakdown. As I understand it, the cause of that odor is the byproduct of residual nitric acid in the powder chemically breaking it down.

The degraded powder will be less potent and may burn erratically, so the real risk is a squib.
 
just to mention, as this recently occurred with a friend who was concerned that his face felt irritated after a day at the range...

are you sure you didn't get a bit of a sunburn?
 
I don't think old powder is toxic, several reloading manuals recommend that if the powder turns brown, smells funny, etc to sprinkle it on your yard or in your flowerbeds, where the nitrogen in the powder acts as a fertilizer.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
There is a post in this thread http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-485075.html that said acid fumes from old powder ate holes through someones clothes.

"(talking about old powder) The last eight pounds, it sat around. When I opened the bottle top, it smelled bitter. Red dust flew around.

I gave it to a machine gunner guy. He put it in the laundry room. Passing by the laundry room he tossed soiled shorts at the hamper, but missed. The short ended up on top of the powder bottle. Overnight, acid gas from the bottle ate holes in the shorts!! :eek: This freaked my friend and he poured the stuff out over his lawn."
 
If powder smells acrid and has a red dust in it, it's trashed. Sprinkle it on your lawn. It makes great fertilizer.
 
I have used IMR-4350 that performed completely normal, that was probably as old as me, and I'm no spring chicken. There are visible and odor signs that powder has broken down and degraded, but as for firing it, if it goes bang in a normal fashion, it's probably just fine. Never heard of it causing it to irritate the skin or nostrils after being fired though. About as close to that as I've ever experienced was with Chinese 7.62x39 ammo, which smells horrible, I assume because of the type powder they use?

GS
 
This, along with the irritation I feel on my face makes me wonder if old ammo or powder becomes toxic or something.

1. 2 year old ammo stored in a car is not 'old' ammo by far.

2. European ammo just plain stinks like a dog peeing on camp-fire embers for some reason.

3. If your face was stinging after a range session?
3A. You got a mild sunburn, or.
3B. Somebody discharged an old pepper spray canister at the range to get rid of it.

rc
 
Probably not considering something has to cause real damage at the exposure to be toxic. Irritating, probably, but toxic? Probably not. What are the products that will be produced from aging small arms propellant depends upon what went into the propellant or primer.

As pointed out, 2 years doesn't approach "old" so you're more likely facing the stinky euro ammo problem.
 
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It also depends on "how" it was stored. In a hot car in the sun for a coupla Summers? Measure it in dog years...
 
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