Is Steyr going out of business?

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Folks, the Steyrs are a double action system with a single action type-trigger...if that makes sense, that's how it has come across to me. Regardless, let's not get into a flame war over this. Let's discuss, not cuss. :cool:
 
i think another topic area needs to be created where all the urinating-contest threads can be tossed into. that way they arent locked or deleted, and we can all continue rattling sabers until the cows come home.

we could call the topic area, 'the sand box'.
:neener: probably isnt THR material though.
 
To call B.S. in the manner that you have shows ignorance and arrogance, which together are extremely annoying.
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The striker is held to the rear by the sear. The striker MAY be pulled an additional one mm to the rear when the trigger is pulled on the early guns without the update. If you assume one mm of additional movement of an already more or less fully cocked striker makes it DA then you can call it DA.

On the later guns there is no futher rearward movement on the striker.

The guns are single action and that is no BS no matter if you people find it annoying or not.
 
You can't "disagree" about facts. You can have an opinion about if you "like" something or not and agree or disagree if you think a pistol "feels" right or if is "pretty" or not. I guess someone could have the opinion that a 1911 is DAO but the facts don't back up your opinion.

You can't change facts with opinions that am an "arse". I could very well be an arse or just a plain ??????? but that does not change anything conserning the facts.

The fact of the matter is the Steyr is carried with a fully cocked striker exactly like the SA XD. They are both single action no matter what anyones opinion about the subject may be.

It may help someones mental state and make them feel better to wish the Steyr is DAO but the facts can't be changed.

No matter what you assume the meaning of DA is there can not be any arugement based on facts that a pistol that is carried fully cocked is in any way DA or DAO. :banghead:

You can not claim the Steyr is DA exactly as it can't be claimed the 1911 is DA.
 
Folks, the Steyrs are a double action system with a single action type-trigger...if that makes sense, that's how it has come across to me.
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Do you own a Steyr?n Have you fired one? Have you completly detail striped one?

Have you studied the design or you just repeating the BS others that know nothing about the gun have written on this thread?
 
Do you own a Steyr?n Have you fired one? Have you completly detail striped one?

Have you studied the design or you just repeating the BS others that know nothing about the gun have written on this thread?
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Actually, I've owned two of them, completely stripped them down and had lengthy conversations with the folks at Steyr about this. So before you go insinuating that someone is full of BS when it's you that does not have your ducks in a row, you might want to think before you post.

If you would take 5 minutes and look at the Steyr documents on it, you would see that what I was describing is layman-speak for the system. Now kindly back off, I didn't attack you or what you were saying, so don't take some crappy tone with me because you're upset that people are telling you that you are wrong. This argument went on a couple of years back when the Steyr first came out. There was much dialogue about the trigger system and also the safety system. I owned my first Steyr before that discussion even broke out, so I had a sample to strip down and take a look at.

Have fun, go attack someone else.
 
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Once again no one can explain how a gun that is carried with the striker fully cocked is considered a DA.

The action of the sear and how it moves does not prove the Steyr is DA.

SA and DA involves the action of the hammer or striker and has nothing to do with the action of the sear and the other parts.
 
Steyr describes it as a Reset Action System (Double Action with Direct Trigger)
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SA calls the XD an "ultra assured safety system" and when they first started importing the gun they called it a DAO in their ads. Just recently a major gun mag did a test of the XD and called it DAO. Their well known and "respected" gun writer just repeated SA's BS because he was too ignorant to know the basic between SA and DA.

There is a reason for SA and Steyr to mislead the public. Many people just do not trust a single action gun that is carried fully cocked. You can like it or not and agree or disagree with the opinion of some people but the fact remains that some people don't trust a SA pistol. Some refuse to carry a cocked and locked 1911 and if they don't know any better and assume the Steyr and XD are DA they may "feel" good about buying and carring one.

Many PD's will not allow single action pistols. Another reason to mislead the public.
 
There is a reason for SA and Steyr to mislead the public. Many people just do not trust a single action gun that is carried fully cocked. You can like it or not and agree or disagree with the opinion of some people but the fact remains that some people don't trust a SA pistol.
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You know Bobby, you may have a point, and like I said earlier, Steyr's trigger action dwells in a gray area. I have watched the sear move back and drop, to me that is double action, to you it doesn't move back enough to qualify as a double action. The question is, is the sear back enough before the trigger is pulled to fire a round? That question has been debated a lot and I don't know if it has ever been proven by either side. What I do know is the Steyr has one sweet trigger for a non-1911 and what this thread has boiled down to is spliting hairs.

The questions of is a Steyr fully or partially cocked, SA or DA, safe or unsafe is left of to the individual who chooses to or not to carry a Steyr. I choose to carry one, and if I can find a dual shoulder holster, I'll carry two this winter. Just because. :D
 
have watched the sear move back and drop, to me that is double action,
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The sear does move back and drop but because of the angle of the sear and the angle of the striker tab the trigger pull does not pull the striker any additional distance to the rear. The striker remains fully cocked untill you pull the trigger so it is single action.
 
It would seem that if a man was proud of his opinions and stood by them, he wouldn't feel compelled to invent a new alias and then prevaricate when called on it. :rolleyes:
 
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It would seem that if a man was proud of his opinions and stood by them, he wouldn't feel compelled to invent a new alias and then prevaricate when called on it.
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He has to -- he's been banned from THR twice already!
 
It's amazing hos a thread which began as a discussion about a dealer pontificating an outdated rumor turned into yet another urinals at 20 paces contest about how a new age pistol's internals operate.

And once again it's the same old chest beating by the same people. (person)

But I guess that's what happens when someone's bladder is bigger and stronger than their brain.


:neener: And life's a lot easier since I put Bobby Lee on my ignore list.


And don't forget that you can't teach anything to someone who already knows it all.
 
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