Remington Arms going out of Business????

[JDyer]

Winchester's Problem - When a customer asked me about a Model 70 or 94, I replied "Which of the 85 or so models are you talking about?" Winchester was all over the board with too many models, with price points entirely too high. Every moddel 70 offered started at least $425, nothing to compete with the Weatherby Vanguard, Howa 1500, Savage, or Rem 700 ADL. As a stocking dealer I have to stock as many models as possible, and I get my best bang for the buck stocking Rem and Marlin.

Remington's Problems:
1. Too many 700 variations (like Winchester 70)
2. Crappy 710, that even won in a raffle is not exciting
3. Crappy Spartan Shotguns
4. Crappy barreled actions from eastern Europe
5. Discontinuance of the ADL replaced by the $70 higher SPS
6. Discontinuance of the Sendero (best Rem rifle made) replaced by the XCR
7. A so called "Scout" or "Guide" rifle (673) in a 22" barrel instead of 18 1/2"
8. Reintroducing the Sendero II for $250 more this fall since the XCR is failing
9. Underfunded Pension plan
10. Lousy customer service

Don't get me wrong, I'm Rem's #1 fan, but if they keep raising their prices 5%to 10% yearly while real wages increase less than 2%, they'll price themselves out of the market. And, it's no secret that Rem is teatering on financial failure.

And, when CZ-USA starts a real marketing campaign they'll eat Rem's lunch

Remington's Advantages
1. Winchester fans will likely buy Remington if they can't afford the Browning and if they don't like spending the same $$ for Ruger, a lesser gun.
2. The 700 action is the most popular action in history (not better, just more popular)
3. Spartan's entry level prices are competative with Charles Daly; they're just crappier guns made by druken Russians.
4. Cheapo buyers can't buy Charles Daly crap rifles anymore since Rem just bought their barreled action supplier and Daly is stuck with thousands of stocks.
5. Rems are American made, like Savage and Marlin, the only two financially healthy companies in the business.

Just my opinion!

 

[scubie02]

Remington is the GM of the gun industry

 

[45crittergitter]

FWIW, Winchester (USRAC) didn't say it was going out of business either; it said it's closing one plant and quitting that plant's products. Other Winchester firearms are made elsewhere.

 

[Ash]

Savage had trouble when it had too many products. At one time, it was bigger than Winchester or Remington. It faced ruin and restructured and now we have a much smaller, but profitable Savage. The 110 is a flagship that ranks as one of the best bolt actions made (if not so pretty) and is a real money maker.

Among shooters, the current 70 has a decent but not stellar reputation. Among novices, the Remington has a better following (and is better liked by many who know more about rifles). Playing second fiddle to Remington seems to have cost it.

I predict, however, that the Models 70 and 94 will return, just as Schrade knives are back among us. Alas, like Chinese-made Schrades (and Winchester knives, by the way), they will probably be coming in from another country.

Ash

 

[greg531mi]

Remington's not run that well, look at the 710 and the 597

Those guns are made in their Arkacksaw Plant, that they openned up a few years back. The 870 and the 700's are made in Inon, New York, with machinist with 20-30 years of experience. That is the differance, besides a CEO that wants to cut costs.....and make things as cheap as possible. Thinks he has to compete with China on price????
Wish the Remington employee that is a THR member would tell us the real scoop....

 

[BusMaster007]

 

[crazed_ss]

What's wrong with 710's?

I've put about 40 rounds through mine just messing around at the range. Is it going to explode or something? I've only tried it out to 100yds, but it seems pretty accurate.

 

[McCall911]

Remington Arms going out of Business????

No, no! They can't!

1--Ithaca shut down
2--Colt discontinuing DA revolvers
3--Winchester closing

Don't they understand? Remington can't close because bad news comes in threes, not fours!

 

[ALS]

Hey I've done my part. I have 3 Remington 700's, 2 .308's, a 3006 and an 870 synthetic 12 gauge. I also have 2 Winchesters a 9422 and a 1200 12 gauge.

 

[Ifishsum]

Remington's not run that well, look at the 710 and the 597.

Actually, both make in Mayfield, Kentucky IIRC

crazed_ss, I own a 710 too. Don't worry, it won't blow up. It isn't the nicest rifle I own, but it works and it's accurate. People don't like them because they don't cost $750.

Come to think of it, I have a couple of 597s as well and don't have any complaints. I must be doing something wrong

 

[Ash]

People don't like the 710 because it costs the same as a Savage 110 and isn't near the rifle, and only marginally less than the ADL used to cost, and wasn't near the rifle, and is more expensive than the Stevens, and isn't near the rifle, and is $100 more than the Mossberg 100, and isn't near the rifle. The 710 is a cheap rifle with a much higher profit margin than the 700.

It might work okay, it might be decently accurate, but it isn't the equal of the Winchester 70, the Rem 700, the Savage 110, the Stevens 200, the Mossberg 100, or other bolt rifles that can be had in a similar price range. It won't last long on the market. It can ride on the Remington name for only so long.

I wonder if Zastava is tooling up to produce the 700.

Ash

 

[Daedalus]

What about that gun manufacturer immunity bill the NRA spent all its 2005 political capital on? I thought it was going to save the industy? Gee I guess it turns out the only thing that would REALLY save the industry is selling products people want to buy. Who would have thought?

 

[JohnBT]

We're supposed to buy what they think they know how to make.

JT

 

[scubie02]

all I know is I ordered a CDL, and ended up selling it shortly after receiving it. Juts couldn't justify the price on such a cheap gun. Looks ok from a distance, average accuracy for a rifle (acceptable for a deer gun, no target rifle) but come on--the Black forend tip and pistol grip cap are just the stock dipped in black paint or something, not even plastic for Pete's sake like the BDL's. A floorplate so cheap and thin its not even funny and they don't even bother to spray paint both sides, just the outside. And then you're going to charge that much for it? The model 70 has been cheapened the past few years too, but not as much as many of the Remingtons. And the customer service is legendary fro being bad and taking forever. I'd hate to see them go out, but frankly I'd have expected it way before Winchester. I can't really think of a single Remington I'd want to buy new at this point, sadly. I do have an old model 8 and 870 Wingmaster in my collection, but the new guns? Not so much digging those.

 

[crazed_ss]

People don't like the 710 because it costs the same as a Savage 110 and isn't near the rifle, and only marginally less than the ADL used to cost, and wasn't near the rifle, and is more expensive than the Stevens, and isn't near the rifle, and is $100 more than the Mossberg 100, and isn't near the rifle. The 710 is a cheap rifle with a much higher profit margin than the 700.

It might work okay, it might be decently accurate, but it isn't the equal of the Winchester 70, the Rem 700, the Savage 110, the Stevens 200, the Mossberg 100, or other bolt rifles that can be had in a similar price range. It won't last long on the market. It can ride on the Remington name for only so long.

I wonder if Zastava is tooling up to produce the 700.

Ash

I see... oh well.. too late now.

 

[Ash]

If you have a 710, enjoy it. Shoot it. I'm a Mossberg 800/810 guy myself and they are generally poo-poo'd (mostly for the Mossberg name, as they are really good rifles). If the 710 were priced comparitively with the Mossberg 100ATR, which I still consider a better rifle, it wouldn't be getting the negative press. The problem is that it is not a good enough rifle for the price charged. But if they sold it for $250, it would get more interest (though in that price range, the Stevens 200 (pre accutrigger Savage 110) and the Mossberg 100ATR are still better rifles).

Ultimately, the rifle would be an okay rifle if a lesser company put it out. But Remington associating it with the 700, along with the comparitively steep price for what you get, is the real issue. Kinda like Picasso making three or four paint slashes and selling it for $1,000 just because it had his name on it. Pretty cheeky, if you ask me.

Ash

 

[shell70634]

on the 710. magazine latch broke, whole stock had to be replaced. bad. remington sent new stock promptly. good.

 

[T.R.]

Someone is pulling your leg. Remington Arms is owned by DuPont, easily one of the largest arms/ammo manufacturing companies in the world.

Felix DuPont amassed great fortunes from the American Civil War and every war since. DuPont even did a lot of business with Nazi Germany until mid 1930's; stopped by Congress.

Right, wrong, or indifferent-these are the facts.
TR

 

[Rupestris]

Someone is pulling your leg. Remington Arms is owned by DuPont, easily one of the largest arms/ammo manufacturing companies in the world.

Felix DuPont amassed great fortunes from the American Civil War and every war since. DuPont even did a lot of business with Nazi Germany until mid 1930's; stopped by Congress.

Right, wrong, or indifferent-these are the facts.
TR

Sorry T.R.,
Dupont began with a controlling share of Remington. Took full ownership in 1980, then sold the company off in 1993.

Remington is on its own now.

I wish Dupont hadn't sold 'em. I'd be able to get an employee discount .

 

[LockNLoad24]

I have a 710 and there is NOTHING wrong with it.
As for the "guide gun with a 22" Bbl, the 22" will give you better velocity than a 18 1/2" if you want that get a Remington Seven.
As for "too many variations" with all of those variations they are designed to attract a larger/ different group of people.
(Grammaw had to get out the lye soap.)

 

[kis2]

well, I guess they were wrong since the original post is from 2006

 

[HOOfan_1]

well, I guess they were wrong since the original post is from 2006

Since it was at a gunshop, they were probably just saying that to sway him to buy a Remington he wasn't sure he could afford.

I don't know why someone earlier said Rugers are less of a gun though. Ruger is a solid company with solid guns (maybe not the Mini-14/Mini-30 though.

And those spartan 870 Express are some of the best pump guns in the world. I like my Mossberg 500 a little more, but my 870 is still a great gun.

 

[Art Eatman]

No mas avec le necrothreadia, ferstehen zie?