Is the 20 gauge the 6.5cm of the shotgun world?

AJC1

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I got my kid a 20 guage for pretty obvious reasons, fit being a huge one and I started watching reviews. I knew nothing about shotguns, still barely enough to be dangerous, but it seems the new fad... so is it just the feel I get from current video sources or are a lot of people actually swapping to 20.
 
I have hunted forever with a 12 ga pump... Of late I have changed to a 20 ga. single... Mostly long hikes looking for a few grouse... The 20ga single is much lighter and plenty lethal for any stray angry black bear i may encounter, whether it be two or four legs... I can use 00' buck or solids, but will also try an 11 inch 357 insert.
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I started with a 20 SXS that belonged to my great grandfather. I later discovered that it had Damascus barrels, and it probably wasn't safe to shoot modern shells in it. I've used a 12 most of my life. If basing the decision on recoil and performance 12 wins every time.

There is a lot of overlap. For most people a shell with 1 oz to 1 1/4 oz of shot does what they need to do, and you can do that with a 12 or a 20. One ounce of shot from a 12 will recoil the same as one ounce of shot from a 20 assuming equal weight guns. But since most 12's weigh about a pound more than most 20's, most of the time a 12 will recoil LESS with equivalent loads.

But if you want a lighter, easier to carry shotguns that is where a 20 excels. The biggest drawbacks are that any 20 ga shell with over 7/8 oz of shot starts getting more expensive than 12 ga loads up to 1 1/8 oz. And if you need more than about 1 1/4 oz you need a 12 ga for that much payload.

The only applications where I think a 20 is a handicap is for waterfowl, especially with steel shot. You need to put a lot of pellets in the air and that is harder to do with a 20, even a 3" 20. And I think a 12 is a much better option for slugs and buckshot.

From my perspective it is turkey hunters who started the 20 ga trend. Even though turkey are big birds you only aim for the head. Modern 20 ga loads combined with aftermarket choke tubes are shooting extremely tight, almost rifle like patterns. You get a very long shot string, which would be a handicap for wingshooting, but is not a handicap at all when shooting at a stationary target.

I sometimes cover close to 10 miles in a day of turkey hunting and having a sub 6 lb gun with a 20-22" barrel is great compared to 12's weighing closer to 8 lbs. And those 20 ga loads are killing birds at some impressive ranges with less recoil.

I made the move to 20's for turkey a few years ago. And since I don't do much waterfowl hunting anymore have started using a 20 a lot more for other things as well. In fact, I had our LGS order a new Benelli 20 for me in January. Should be in any day now. Looking forward to using it this turkey season.

But that said. If I could only have one, it would be a 12.
 
I'm not much help. Have two 12 ga and two 20ga. I MIGHT shoot the 20 a bit more. AJC1, what's your son planning on doing with the 20?
It's main purpose was squirrel and probly other small game. I figured as long as I have it I bought a few Walmart battle boxes for 34 dollars and I let him play shooting at Clays he picks up at a local range. Those packs are 8 shot so I grabbed a box of Remington #6 for game getting.
 
I'm in my 70's and have hunted with nothing bigger than a 20 ga. Have never felt the need for anything larger. Never hunted water foul were a 12 ga. would be more desirable. Just purchased a 20ga coach gun for brush hunting and noises in the night. I'm happy.
 
It's main purpose was squirrel and probly other small game. I figured as long as I have it I bought a few Walmart battle boxes for 34 dollars and I let him play shooting at Clays he picks up at a local range. Those packs are 8 shot so I grabbed a box of Remington #6 for game getting.

That's a start he'll be happy with. What's the shotgun?
 
For the little kids, 410 if you hate them, 28 gauge if you want them to succeed.
20 Gauge for the ladies and children.
24 Gauge for landed lords.
16 Gauge for the discriminating gentleman.
12 Gauge (3-inch) for the all around best shotgun.
12 Gauge (3.5-inch) for an even more all-around shotgun if you don't mind the extra weight.
10 Gauge for the hardcore Turkey, Goose hunter.
410 is also for those that don't have anything or everything to prove.

Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it. I started with a 410 for one year of rabbit hunting at 9 years old. Jumped up to 16 gauge the next year to get my first rabbit. A few year later went to 12 gauge and stayed their for years. Until I saw the light and for my last few years before I moved out of Ohio I did all my hunting, Dove to Deer with a 410 shotgun. Turkey is about all I hunt with a shotgun anymore...
 
I don’t think it’s a fad, I got my first 20 gauge about 50 years ago and looking to add another. Maybe it’s that word is getting out about how great they are. If I’m shooting trap I always use a 12 gauge but almost everything else is a 20 gauge most of the time. Some weekend hunt with a 12 one day and a 20 the other day. I think the 20 day will be more fun.
 
For the little kids, 410 if you hate them, 28 gauge if you want them to succeed.
20 Gauge for the ladies and children.
24 Gauge for landed lords.
16 Gauge for the discriminating gentleman.
12 Gauge (3-inch) for the all around best shotgun.
12 Gauge (3.5-inch) for an even more all-around shotgun if you don't mind the extra weight.
10 Gauge for the hardcore Turkey, Goose hunter.
410 is also for those that don't have anything or everything to prove.

Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it. I started with a 410 for one year of rabbit hunting at 9 years old. Jumped up to 16 gauge the next year to get my first rabbit. A few year later went to 12 gauge and stayed their for years. Until I saw the light and for my last few years before I moved out of Ohio I did all my hunting, Dove to Deer with a 410 shotgun. Turkey is about all I hunt with a shotgun anymore...
I considered a 410 but the availability of ammo and price made the 20 much more reasonable. It's only about 10% more than 12.
 
12 Gauge is the everything shotgun because it's just what is most used. But 20 gauge is more of a 'everybody' shotgun in my opinion. Although I don't own more than 1. A break open of some time is my only use for a 20 gauge, and that because I can use pistol caliber adapters in it.
 
20 was the upland game gun of those in the know for decades, now it's gone to the 28, at least for grouse & woodcock, and pen raised pheasants. 20 will always have a place in America's gun safes, between youth shooters and guys who get tired carrying a 12 gauge all day.
There are only 2 20 ga.guns I want; a Beretta 686 Onyx, and a (Japanese) Weatherby Athena. ( OK, I admit to a Howdah also.)
 
I see more 28 gauge folks out there now than 20. Little more expensive for shells but actually available at even walmart.

I held a tristar sxs in 28 and was impressed with size per gauge.
 
By now, most of us have figured out what works best for our needs. Sixteen is probably the best compromise, but ammo can be pricey and hard to find in your preferred load. When I did more shooting and less carrying, the 12 was it. Now that I do more carrying and less shooting, the 20 does the job if I do my part.
 
In the mid-80s, my extended family was of the opinion that a .410 was THE youth shotgun. Fortunately my gun and hunting mentor, as well as a long time friend and professional colleague of my Father, convinced him that a .410 was the WRONG answer so my first shotgun was a 20. So no, I don't think it's a fad. People who knew wingshooting have favored the 20 for a youth option for a long time. It's still a good one IF built on a 20ga frame. If said youth is hefty enough to sling a 12 frame with reduced LOP, I feel that is a better option with low recoil loads now available, at least in my part of the country. I also find a lot of yellow hulls on the grouse trails, and that's not all kids so it has a following for light upland in my part of the country. That makes sense if one hunts primarily light upland game with perhaps close shooting for teal and wood ducks on the menu. Problem with MN is, we are a big-water waterfowl, goose and ringneck state, with grouse and other small game as an afterthought. I've experienced first and second hand the deficiencies of the 20 on these hard targets. Ammo has come a long ways, but you just cant throw a heavier charge, as fast, with as good a pattern with a 20. For this reason, the 12 is still king here, and will be for the forseeabil future.
 
In the mid-80s, my extended family was of the opinion that a .410 was THE youth shotgun. Fortunately my gun and hunting mentor, as well as a long time friend and professional colleague of my Father, convinced him that a .410 was the WRONG answer so my first shotgun was a 20. So no, I don't think it's a fad. People who knew wingshooting have favored the 20 for a youth option for a long time. It's still a good one IF built on a 20ga frame. If said youth is hefty enough to sling a 12 frame with reduced LOP, I feel that is a better option with low recoil loads now available, at least in my part of the country. I also find a lot of yellow hulls on the grouse trails, and that's not all kids so it has a following for light upland in my part of the country. That makes sense if one hunts primarily light upland game with perhaps close shooting for teal and wood ducks on the menu. Problem with MN is, we are a big-water waterfowl, goose and ringneck state, with grouse and other small game as an afterthought. I've experienced first and second hand the deficiencies of the 20 on these hard targets. Ammo has come a long ways, but you just cant throw a heavier charge, as fast, with as good a pattern with a 20. For this reason, the 12 is still king here, and will be for the forseeabil future.
That is one thing that I see that I will not tolerate from my spawn. You pick up your trash and that includes hulls. Probably left over boy scout leave no trace, but a few seconds on the waterways around Memphis gets me smoking hot around the collar. I also pick up while I fish.
 
I'll be the dissenting voice with half a dozen 12 gauges, another half-dozen 16's, one 20 gauge, and no 410's. I use a 12 or 16 for most of my shotgun work, and the 20 never leaves the house. They do what I need them to do, and do it well. I despise the 20, for no other reason than I don't think it kills like everyone says they do, or at least the ones I've used don't. And yes, I've tried my best to like it. The 410 I have no use for either, as it's 11/16th ounce payload just won't cut it in our tall timber.

Mac
 
That is one thing that I see that I will not tolerate from my spawn. You pick up your trash and that includes hulls. Probably left over boy scout leave no trace, but a few seconds on the waterways around Memphis gets me smoking hot around the collar. I also pick up while I fish.
It's amazing, and sad, what I find in the National and State forest up here. Some people are sadly still of the opinion that it is a dumping ground. Worked in my benefit last fall though. I took the 4 wheeler in and raided a small engine dump I knew about. Lots of aluminum blocks, starters and alternators. Even some "green" electric motors and some snowmobile and motorcycle parts assemblies with good value on the used market. With the price of aluminum and copper, I made quite a killing in 2 trips, and cleaned up the forest making good use of a too windy to bow hunt kind of day.
 
I always thought the 20 gauge Mossberg Youth shotgun was a nifty package. If I didn’t have the 20 gauge BPS that would probably be my primary grouse gun. I’ve shot one a few times at a friends spread and just liked the way it felt/fit. To me it carries like a 30-30 lever in the field.

Course, Mossbergs and I go way way back and like a good friend they always treated me right.

On the question of gauge. There will always be a spot or three for a 12 in my gun rack. It’s like 4X4 or torque. When you need what it offers there’s no substitute.
 
I'll be the dissenting voice with half a dozen 12 gauges, another half-dozen 16's, one 20 gauge, and no 410's. I use a 12 or 16 for most of my shotgun work, and the 20 never leaves the house. They do what I need them to do, and do it well. I despise the 20, for no other reason than I don't think it kills like everyone says they do, or at least the ones I've used don't. And yes, I've tried my best to like it. The 410 I have no use for either, as it's 11/16th ounce payload just won't cut it in our tall timber.

Mac
I feel just about the same way but I’m trying to like the 20 as I have 3 of them, but I always grab the 12ga. I also don’t think they kill as well. I’ve recently considered getting rid of all but one that is a family heirloom.

as to the OPs question I think there is a downward trend in gauges for Turkey hunting, especially since tungsten shot loads have come on the market.
 
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