is the gp100 better than the 686?

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Gee, J.M., try de-caf...

Factoring in the poor QC I have experienced with my new Rugers - and how one, a .45 Redhawk, did have to 'go home' immediately due to too many issues - the worst involving safety - I'd give the nod to S&W in a scenario where the revolver must work properly 'out of the box'.

I still buy Rugers - but I know how to remove the burrs, roughness, etc - required to permit proper operation. I still 'like' Rugers. If I ever find a new half lug SS 4"-5" GP100 at an affordable price, it will probably come home with me - the first stop being, of course, the workbench.

Now, about field stripping... these aint M16/M4's. Make certain the chambers are empty. You need a proper screwdriver to get the grip panels off your SRH/GP100/SP101 - don't lose the little pin trapped under them - in the rubber grip. Push the Al plug through and pull the grip down off the frame stud. Cock the hammer, insert the pin you probably lost (... or a large wire paper clip) into the hammer coil spring's strut and release the hammer, trapping said spring... remove said spring/strut. Pull the hammer's axle out - then the hammer, etc. See the hole on the back of the grip stud? I have an old Phillips, #1 or #2, I have forgotten, screwdriver ~4" long that I ground to a flat - it must fit in that hole easily - and depress, with some effort, that 'latch' from the trigger group across from it to release said trigger group. You still won't have the cylinder 'in your hand' - but you get the drift. Easily field stripped?

For a K/L/N frame S&W, simply remove the forward most sideplate screw - with the proper sized hollow-ground bit. Release the cylinder and carefully pull forward on the yoke assembly, removing it and the now freed cylinder. Clean. Re-assemble. I generally take the grip/stock off for cleaning, too - another screw. Proper sized hollow-ground sets are available reasonably priced.

About strengths... recall that it takes more metal to have the same compressive & tensile strength when it is cast than when it is hammer forged and heat treated. Also, recall that the same basic design is implemented for SAAMI-spec'd .22LR to .44 Magnum - it must be durable. As to timing, pawl/hand or bolt wear is common in older high mileage revolvers - no matter the brand - but are easily replaced in a S&W.

Finally, the IL. First - it is entirely ancillary - not at all part of the functioning 'Chain'. It merely blocks the hammer's movement. Sure, the spring detent keeping it off could fail - if the spring rusted through... but you'd have other internal rust problems by then as well. You could drop it onto concrete several times and maybe make it jump out of battery - but believe me, I wouldn't shoot a dropped gun without checking it out thoroughly first - thus, no mil-surplus French firearms here, but that's my opinion. I wouldn't let a .192" hole in the frame - over the cylinder release - dissuade me from an S&W. Of course, as a kid, I thought Edsels and Studebakers were neat!

Stainz
 
You know I have seen out of time Rugers but I have never actually seen an out of time GP100. I am sure it can happen but I have never actually seen one of those.

Chris
 
Look again at the quote I was replying to:

>>Now, I will say that rebuilding a Smith to get back into timing is not a huge deal and S&W does stand behind their product.....your just out shipping.<<

"You're just out shipping" is a killer from South America for anything, and much worse for a gun.
 
So, you can afford 15,000 rounds but can't afford to ship the gun after that time period? And that is IF it is out of time. Plenty of Smiths will stay nice and tight, especially if they are well maintained. I think one of the gun magazines put 10,000 full magnum rounds through this gun and the GP100 for a test and both were perfect. I shoot a lot, but even I haven't put that many magnum rounds into my L-frame Smith.

The 686 -and- the GP-100 are the very definition of reliability. If you prefer one over the other, fine - there is a lot of little things to distinguish them. But to suggest that one is significantly less durable than the other is just hype in my opinion. Most people can't wear out these guns in a lifetime no matter how much they shoot them.
 
I have not owned a S&W .357 magnum revo for about.....7-8 years now. WOW! I did not realize you had to send them to South America??????

You could just pay a gunsmith to rebuild it for you.....I know more money.

The last poster makes a great point. the ammo always costs more thatn the gun when you are a shooter. And that is what I am......a shooter.

I have put many tens of thousands of rounds through my .357's. That's why I stick with Ruger's design. They are built to last.

I have seen exactly one GP100 go out of timing......Ruger fixed it and refunded the shipping......It was not my gun but, a guy who I use to compete with in ICORE.

I do not own alot of guns like many here. But, the ones I do own I am pretty darn good with because I shoot the beejeeperes out of them.

The Ruger GP100 is for me and those like me. The original poster stated a question on the 125 grn .357 magnums. The Ruger will stand up better to those 1450 FPS 125 grn rounds better than the smith......trust me.

ps I know what you mean by adding the cost of ammo how could I worry about the cost of a new gun.....and I don't even reload:uhoh:
 
So, you can afford 15,000 rounds but can't afford to ship the gun after that time period?

Pop quiz: new revolver costs equivalent of $1,000. Shipping costs for repair costs equivalent of $1,000, plus time in transit. Do you:

A: buy a revolver with (slightly) weaker lock points and a sideplate?
or
B: buy a revolver with the strongest lock points and user-serviceable innards?


I've researched .357 revolvers and bought a GP100. My father owns a S&W. We're both happy, but neither do either of us face $1,000+ shipping bills for repair work.
 
Buy the one that feels best to you. A few points:

-Even if true that a GP-100 is stronger than a 686, VERY, VERY few people will ever shoot enough magnum rounds to make a 686 loosen or go out of time.

-The 686's were built to take lots of magnum rounds, and they will. The 686 is plenty strong, while the GP-100 is actually overbuilt. So, the fact that the GP100 is stronger is really irrelevant, since the 686 is as strong as you will ever need.

-For most, the most important thing about revolvers, after reliability of course, is the action. Most consider 686's to have the nicer action, and it's easier to get a nice action job on a S&W.

-I own 2 681's, a 3" GP100 and a Speed Six, love them all. Wouldn't sell any of them. Buy what feels good to you.

----All of my statements have been based on my opinions on Pre-lock 686's. If I was absolutely pressed as to which I would buy it would be the 686. But if my choice was GP100 or the post lock 686, I'd go with the Ruger.
 
If the only factor is absolute durability/brute strength then go with the Ruger. It is indeed, overbuilt like an M1A1. But, I doubt you will wear out the 686 in your lifetime.
 
Duh, I don't know... But, I do know what strong is. :evil:

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