Is the SOCOM M1A the real deal or a marketing gimmick?

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Mini, I would advise caution using 200grn loads. The rifle just isn't going to like it for long, and you will break things. The military teams may bump up their loads, but they don't have to pay to replace their parts like we do! The highest weight bullet most will shoot these days is a 175grn. Also be sure to watch your velocities, or your almost guaranteed to break something.

If you want to shoot faster loads, or factory ammo that moves faster, be sure to put in an adjustable gas plug. This will prevent op rod damage.
 
He almost never cleans it and it always runs flawlessly with cheap Russian lacquered ammo.

The M1A was the first rifle I ever owned and the first non M16/M4 rifle I'd shot, other than various 22s that is. I didn't realize how dirty the gas plug and gas piston would get back then. I had a real job on my hands getting that gas plug off after months of taking it the range and not cleaning it. Now, I clean those two pieces almost every time I shoot it.
 
Not surprising that the most vocal critics of the Socom 16 don't have one.
Now, think about that for a minute :)

People who don't like the gun certainly aren't going to buy one. What do you expect?
 
Im not a fan of it just beause I believe it takes away the good features of the M1A. Its supposed to be a long range hard hitting battle rifle. Chopping the barrel down and putting CQB sights on it just doesnt make sense for the platform in my opinion.

Thats not to say that I dont think they are good guns, because they are great rifles. I dont like all the rails on the II version though.

When I buy one it will be either the scout or the full size.
 
True, but it doesn't keep people from spouting off anectdotal evidence that they've never actually seen!
True. Given the sheer number of guns out there, most of us are not going to have firsthand experience with most guns.

I've seen several TV specials with people who do appear to know their stuff, and they made it clear that despite the fact that the episode was paid for by Springfield, they had some serious misgivings about the SOCOM M1A in its intended role. To be fair, they said a lot of good things too, especially about the M14-based action and the .308 round. I think they're pretty cool guns, but part of their mystique for some people is the idea that they're a real military gun. Knowing its limitations from those reviews, I can't imagine real "operators" ever using one. That doesn't mean it can't be a fun gun though!
 
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I have the Scout model and like it. I had a full size and wish I would have kept it. Do I think SA uses some gimicks? Heck yes, who doesn't?
Every gun, car, truck, bike, you name it uses gimicks to attract customers. Its up to us to chop through the crap before we purchase.
Under all the crap rarely lies the total truth.
 
If all I had was a SOCOM, I'd feel quite well protected. As for the whole inaccuracy thing, it will shoot three MOA. The majority of people cannot shoot three MOA with iron sights so it is more than accurate. Even with a scope, if people are shooting back at you, there is no way you will be shooting three MOA. From that perspective, it's fine. Yes, I'm sure ARs are more accurate but it's moot for real world application. Having said that, I'd rather have SOCOM for defensive purposes and a bolt action for accurate work. Also keep in mind, most engagements even for the military are 100 yards or less.

If you want to balance accuracy and barrel length, you can always go for the M1A scout version.
 
Besides the caliber, it is also hamstrung as a CQB gun by the antique ergonomics, with the non-pistol grip stock and all. (Though that can be fixed for those who don't mind paying a good chunk of money.)
 
. Also keep in mind, most engagements even for the military are 100 yards or less.
Your point is taken, but in Afghanistan right now, that's definitely not the case. That's why they're pulling old M14s out of mothballs and reoutfitting them for designated marksman use. Of course, those don't have 16" barrels :)
 
the non-pistol grip stock and all. (Though that can be fixed for those who don't mind paying a good chunk of money.)

The EBR setup I got to try was one HEAVY SOB! I wouldn't choose that for real-world use.

In general I prefer a traditional stock, as it points better, but you're right: it's made for distances past a few yards, at least, not close-in defense, by any stretch.:)

Personally, I find the SOCOM to be a bit heavy for its size. The slightly-longer Scout is better balanced, and a fine-handling rifle.
 
Re: .308 from a 16" bbl

The velocity drop from a 22 vs 18 vs 16 barrel is something I've research a lot as of late (buying a 18" DPMS LR308L). From most data I have seen, a 150 gr .308 load seems to have a large gain in velocity to about 15-17" of barrel. For every inch after wards you're gaining 25-50 fps.

A 16" bbl will spit a 150gr pill out at mid 2600fps up to mid 2700's, where as a 22" will be in the high 2700's to mid 2800's. (since the relationship of bbl vs velocity is not linear)

Overall you give up about 200 yards or so of range (16" vs 22"), but you will still be supersonic to 600 yards with a 16" and supersonic to 800+ yards with the 22". At 400 yards either load will have around 1400 foot-pounds of energy. A .223 pushes about 1200 foot-pounds at the muzzle, for comparison.

Numbers aside, you need to consider where you will be shooting. My terrain here is quite hilly, so a shot past 600 yards is very hard to achieve here, because these pesky hills and ridges tend to get in the way. Thus, for me, a shorter and faster handling 600-yard rifle offers a marked advantage over a larger and slower handling 800-yard rifle, especially since a 800 yard shot is very unlikely to occur due to terrain.

As for accuracy vs bbl, I am in the school of thought that bbl and accuracy have little to no relationship to each other. In the olden days longer bbl = longer sight radius = more accuracy. In the modern day of optics, a shorter bbl can be just as accurate as a longer bbl. Optics have an "infinite" sight radius, after all. Main thing is, is the bullet stabilized by the twist rate, and is the action and loading consistent enough to put it in the same place each time. I bet if you took that SOCOM that shoots 3 MOA with a 16" bbl, and extended to 22", it'd still shoot the same 3 MOA.
 
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A 16" bbl will spit a 150gr pill out at mid 2600fps up to mid 2700's, where as a 22" will be in the high 2700's to mid 2800's. (since the relationship of bbl vs velocity is not linear)
You have to keep in mind that even in the SOCOM, you have to be mindful of muzzle velocities, in order to not damage the rifle. In my mind, that is the only weakness of the M14/M1A platform, and a very minor one at that. The general rule is you want to keep your loads at about 2700 fps.
 
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