Is there an actual law that says a private citizen cannot own a nuke?

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I remember reading a magazine article years ago about a grad student who wrote a Master's thesis describing in great detail exactly how to build a nuke. Within the paper was a great deal of classified information which he obtained by social engineering (contacting the companies that really build nukes and pretending to be someone he wasn't). His academic advisor turned the paper over to the FBI. It was then classified by the Fed Gov and the student was ordered never to reveal the contents to anyone under threat of federal prosecution. He was awarded his Master's degree even though the Master's review board never had a chance to evaluate his paper.

I don't recall what magazine it was in but it was presented as a true story.
 
Pre 68 GCA, us teenagers used to play around with a lot of bombs. That pretty much covered the dinamite and the stuff we cobbled up from feed store chemistry. Looked it up to see what laws we were violating in the State of Texas. The applicable statute was Transporting Explosives on a Public Road. There was also a section forbiding private ownership of neuclear weapons or fisionable material. I suppose it's still there somewhere in the penal code.
 
But with the rich Arab (Saudi Arabia) Oil Kings, paying them ALOT of money to stay out of their backyard, it is just a matter of time when the WILL be able to buy some.
Um, they can do that TODAY. You appear to be terrified of a potential risk without realizing that the risk is already actual.

--Len.
 
I can beat 2 words

Quote:
The fastest way to leave this earth would be to attempt to smuggle a nuclear device into this country.

2 words: "Mexican border" :uhoh:
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In one word.. Canada

But, one way or another, from the top down, or the bottom up, it will come.


LS
 
I remember reading a magazine article years ago about a grad student who wrote a Master's thesis describing in great detail exactly how to build a nuke.
I can't provide a citation, but my understanding is that this much is true. However, it didn't involve classified information and isn't particularly frightening. Anyone who really paid attention in physics class knows everything he needs to to build a Hiroshima-sized bomb, and the necessary engineering is feasible. Most post-WWII progress has been in getting higher yields with less fissile material.

Thermonuclear devices are trickier, but any decent physicist knows how they work.

The only thing holding back non-nuclear countries is the requisite engineering know-how. That and the fact that they're aiming high: they don't want a Hiroshima-sized bomb. They want something with a much higher yield, but small enough for the nose-cone of a missile. If they didn't mind using a freight-train or B52 as the delivery vehicle, then the only problem would be getting their hands on enough uranium. And that's perfectly doable. Third-world countries sell the stuff.

--Len.
 
I guess I'll have to check with my local Fire Marshall and my home owners association guidelines to see if there are any special storage requirements...:D
 
I can't provide a citation, but my understanding is that this much is true. However, it didn't involve classified information and isn't particularly frightening.

If I recall correctly, the article said that the classified info was related to the exact energy requirements and mechanics needed to trigger a nuclear chain reaction. It also seems like there was also some classified info in regards to the exact nature of the nuclear fission material. He got the classified info by a combination of social engineering and superb deductive reasoning from studying non-classified data he obtained from various sources.

That's all I remember. It was 20 years or so ago when I read that article. But I do distinctly recall that the paper contained nuclear secrets that are classified by the Feds. His advisor recognized that the paper contained classified info when he read it and called the FBI.

Of course, the magazine writer may have stretched the truth just a wee bit to make the story more interesting. :)
 
There was a quote a few years ago:
" As far as anybody knows, every country that has tried to build a nuclear bomb has succeeded on the first attempt."

Seems like North Korea made that one obsolete last year.
 
Pft, I got one that is grandfathered in.

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You looking to trade? I got a Marlin 94, some nice Smith revos and G23.

I can maybe throw in some cash too.
 
You'll get my nuke when you pry it out of my mutated glowing hands:neener:

They use to make a recoiless nuclear rifle with a range of three miles, problem was it had a fallout radius of four, seems good for elk, you have to make sure you use enough gun for those big critters:evil:



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the comic books used to have ads that went " Be the first kind on your block to get this:
1. Daisy Eagle air rifle;
2. 200 piece Army set;
3. Suite of armor, etc.

So, MAD magazine had one for an atomic bomb kit that started out " Be the Last Kid on Your Block!"
 
the comic books used to have ads that went " Be the first kind on your block to get this:
1. Daisy Eagle air rifle;
2. 200 piece Army set;
3. Suite of armor, etc.

So, MAD magazine had one for an atomic bomb kit that started out " Be the Last Kid on Your Block!"

I remember Red Skelton, (shows you how old I am) doing a skit advertising "Blasto-The Atomic Hand Grenade!" I don't remember all the lines, but one of them was "Be the first kid on your block to start a nuclear war among your little friends." :what: :D
 
I could do a Hiroshima gun-type off the Walmart shelf. Problem is, I need a few truckloads of the stuff to get what I need. Some of it can probably be done other ways, but the info is out there.

These people talking about how hard it is? Give me a BMW, and I'm sure I can find someone in Russia willing to sell. Transportation is another issue, but that has been solved many times before with other items and materials.

The biggest problem is, most weapons have a limited lifespan without replenishment of certain elements that have shorter half-lives. They'd last long enough for a terror attack, but storing them for a while wouldn't work.
 
I bet "homeland security" is reading this right now and, wait there is someone at my door, be right back........
 
When you say "imagine them with a nuke," you're WAY jumping the gun. How exactly did they get it? Answer: they basically can't.

Who said they have to build it?

They can get it the same way the Israelis did: buy it. Under the pure libertarian scenario, anyone with enough money would be able to purchase nuclear weapons on the open market. Perhaps responsible capitalists in the west would be careful about whom they sold what, but there are plenty of irresponsible capitalists world-wide that don't give a damn about the consequences of what they buy/sell. You need only look at the active trade in human slaves to realize that.

If there was no effort to control nuclear weapons in the world, and anyone who wanted one and had the scratch could purchase one, sooner or later people would start using them.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't consider this scenario an improvement over what we've got going on now.

Now, there are plenty of uses for nuclear technology that should be, and are, explored by private ventures. Not all fissionable material is useful for making weapons, nor is all nuclear technology directly applicable to vaporizing cities. Certain precautions have to be taken, obviously, but I for one would like to see more nuclear technology, not less. It's not the "big dumb government" that's holding that back so much as it's the very powerful, very well-funded green movement and their mouthpieces in Congress.
 
MachIVshooter said:
Forget the possible criminal charges; who the hell would voluntarily expose themselves to such incredible health hazards

Well, apparently David Hahn...


heh, anyway. Owning a nuclear weapon is highly against the law (previously posted) however as has also been posted I think that if you have a clear and present need for one, then you probably do not care about the law very much, hehe.
 
Under the pure libertarian scenario, anyone with enough money would be able to purchase nuclear weapons on the open market. Perhaps responsible capitalists in the west would be careful about whom they sold what, but there are plenty of irresponsible capitalists world-wide that don't give a damn about the consequences of what they buy/sell.
That's essentially the same argument used against small arms: "Sure, some people can own a gun responsibly, but others will start a bloodbath in the streets because you looked at them funny..."

On this forum you'll find plenty of examples of gun store owners refusing to sell, often because "something doesn't feel right." If you really think about it, you'll realize that it's improbable in the extreme that anyone would sell a nuke to a madman. For starters, he'd have good reason to fear that the madman would then kill the seller, and no capitalist is so greedy that he values money over his own life.

But the "insurance" argument is more powerful than you realize. It took a while for the implications to sink in for me. Anyone who might sell a nuke to a nutball is himself a nutball, and he'll have a tough time getting into the "nuclear gunshop" business. Nobody will insure him. Reputable manufacturers won't deal with him. And so on. The "insurance" argument applies at every step of the manufacturing process.

If there was no effort to control nuclear weapons in the world...
My point is that there would be an effort: the planet is populated by six billion creatures, none of which want to be nuked personally. Of course there'd be an effort. The "insurance" argument is just a hint what that effort would look like--to fully describe it would take a book, and nobody knows the exact form it would take anyway.

The point is that government shouldn't have nukes either. When government regulates nukes, they allow themselves to have all they want--that's sorta the point of being a government. And we're supposed to take it on faith that they can be trusted with them? 100,000 dead Japanese say otherwise...

It's not the "big dumb government" that's holding that back so much as it's the very powerful, very well-funded green movement and their mouthpieces in Congress.
I think you just said, "It's not the government, it's the government." :D

It's not the lobbyists' fault: lobbyists would be powerless whiners if there weren't a government to lobby. Take away that frightful power over others' lives, and the lobbyists will have to share a sidewalk with the street preachers.

--Len.
 
That's essentially the same argument used against small arms: "Sure, some people can own a gun responsibly, but others will start a bloodbath in the streets because you looked at them funny..."

The problem with that argument is that there are responsible uses for firearms in private hands. Can you name me one responsible use for nuclear weapons in private hands?

On this forum you'll find plenty of examples of gun store owners refusing to sell, often because "something doesn't feel right." If you really think about it, you'll realize that it's improbable in the extreme that anyone would sell a nuke to a madman.

There was a gun store owner in Virgina that sold a pistol to a mad man. He couldnt tell what he was dealing with. However only 32 people died as a result (I don't count the shooters sucide in the number since he does not deserve the title of "human" IMO) With a nuke that number can go into the millions.

Your insurance argument doens't fly either. If I were a lunatic set out to kill millions I doubt I would care if my insurance dropped me.

The point is that government shouldn't have nukes either. When government regulates nukes, they allow themselves to have all they want--that's sorta the point of being a government. And we're supposed to take it on faith that they can be trusted with them? 100,000 dead Japanese say otherwise...

Ever hear of the START treaties? That is the Government acting to not "allow themselves all the nukes they want". Also regarding the 100,00 dead Japanese well thats what happens in a war people die. We were looking at more death than that by trying to invade mainland Japan itself. We had to force them into surrender or risk losing countless allied troups in a ground invasion.
 
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