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Why would you only want one shotgun?
Is there ANY one shotgun for all purposes?
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Panthera Tigris
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Because of a little thing that is extremely hard for me to come by these days called money. I ain't got much of it. I've got enough to live on, and that's about it. I can't go off spending it buying numerous firearms. So, it pretty much has to be one shotgun for all purposes.
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Well for too many years, folks only had one of some kind of firearm. Money was tight, they only bought what they could afford. Saved up, paid cash or did L/A.
No credit cards. They became one with the gun, they knew how to shoot.
Same applies today. Difference in "wants" and "needs". It is said "needs" will be provided for, and sometimes "wants" may come to be.
I also know, we have members from all over the world - legal reasons, firearm restrictions apply to them.
This is something that hits a nerve with me. One of my best friends on this board was treated so rude, so ugly when he first came to THR needing assistance. He was bashed, trashed and called an idiot for (1) "just move to US" , (2) buy ____ gun.
Well for one, his laws Says he cannot, that gun is NOT available, and he and his wife are not rich enough to just quit jobs and move to US.
He is not the only one that has been treated this way, and some live in the US.
Maybe $ 1/2 million in medical bills gets in the way for buying more than one. I would imagine having the house burn down, and insurance only covers so much , means being limited to "ones" of things for a bit.
Needs and wants differ. I try to understand this, where folks are from around the world, and the fact some do not have disposable money, and not by any real fault of their own.
I know a couple the medical bill for their son is near $2 million. Freak accident, the TV cabinet shelf broke and that TV fell onto that Toddler, and crushed his head flat. I mean FLAT.
He is fine now, has just a tinge of a limp, is back on track on speech and other development areas.
His dad, still does not own anything but a 870 for everything and they have two CCW guns, one for mom and dad. He borrows a 30-30 for deer hunting when he does not use a shotgun. I gave them a single shot 20 for the wife to use, when he is gone.
Guns not as big a priority for them, now them two kids, especially the one that went thru a trama, being a family, and all - biggest priority.
Needs , wants, priorities...
Well for too many years, folks only had one of some kind of firearm. Money was tight, they only bought what they could afford. Saved up, paid cash or did L/A.
No credit cards. They became one with the gun, they knew how to shoot.
Same applies today. Difference in "wants" and "needs". It is said "needs" will be provided for, and sometimes "wants" may come to be.
I also know, we have members from all over the world - legal reasons, firearm restrictions apply to them.
This is something that hits a nerve with me. One of my best friends on this board was treated so rude, so ugly when he first came to THR needing assistance. He was bashed, trashed and called an idiot for (1) "just move to US" , (2) buy ____ gun.
Well for one, his laws Says he cannot, that gun is NOT available, and he and his wife are not rich enough to just quit jobs and move to US.
He is not the only one that has been treated this way, and some live in the US.
Maybe $ 1/2 million in medical bills gets in the way for buying more than one. I would imagine having the house burn down, and insurance only covers so much , means being limited to "ones" of things for a bit.
Needs and wants differ. I try to understand this, where folks are from around the world, and the fact some do not have disposable money, and not by any real fault of their own.
I know a couple the medical bill for their son is near $2 million. Freak accident, the TV cabinet shelf broke and that TV fell onto that Toddler, and crushed his head flat. I mean FLAT.
He is fine now, has just a tinge of a limp, is back on track on speech and other development areas.
His dad, still does not own anything but a 870 for everything and they have two CCW guns, one for mom and dad. He borrows a 30-30 for deer hunting when he does not use a shotgun. I gave them a single shot 20 for the wife to use, when he is gone.
Guns not as big a priority for them, now them two kids, especially the one that went thru a trama, being a family, and all - biggest priority.
Needs , wants, priorities...
if I had only one shotgun... I'd have Remington 870.
the interchangable barrels nixes the 'versatility' question and it's a fine fine action. 26 in vent rib for upland birds, skeet, clays, trap & a 21 inch deer barrel with a rifled tube for deer elk bear or buckshot.
the fact is I have 2 shotguns, the other one is a muzzle loader.
the interchangable barrels nixes the 'versatility' question and it's a fine fine action. 26 in vent rib for upland birds, skeet, clays, trap & a 21 inch deer barrel with a rifled tube for deer elk bear or buckshot.
the fact is I have 2 shotguns, the other one is a muzzle loader.
mrmeval
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I had a Mossberg 500, the standard ribbed barrel work ok for skeet but not the best. Then there was the rifled slug barrel which was exceptional , did under 2" at 100 yard. I then got a black powder barrel for it and with real BP it would do the same under 2" at 100 yards, very nice. I was forced to sell it and regret it as I doubt I will get that lucky again. I would have liked a shorter barrel for use with 00 buck for the home. Eventually I'll get another set.
Brian Williams
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May be because I do not care for the recoil or the pain it gives me whenever I shoot one. I would love to find a nice 20 or 28 gauge SxS that fits me and then those pesky Quail would be mine.... Other than that I really do not want another shotgun. I shoot mostly Handguns and a few Rifles. Even heavy recoiling rifles are not for me.
ReadyontheRight
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Old Wingmaster(s).
As far as ONE gun, a Remington 870 Wingmaster w/a 28" barrel probably has no equal.
Cruise the shops and gun shows. You COULD buy one and then buy a short home defense barrel, but for almost the same price you can also find a whole 'nother used gun. You might even find a nice police-trade-in 18" or 20" model around $200.
I found one w/ a 30" barrel and full choke for $180 and another one with a ~24" barrel and poly choke for $100. $280 for a nice old matching set of well-honed wood and steel that cycle slick as can be. And these were both in the last two years.
I still haven't had the heart to cut the Polychoke down to 18.5" as planned, but it's a darn good defense gun as is.
As far as ONE gun, a Remington 870 Wingmaster w/a 28" barrel probably has no equal.
Cruise the shops and gun shows. You COULD buy one and then buy a short home defense barrel, but for almost the same price you can also find a whole 'nother used gun. You might even find a nice police-trade-in 18" or 20" model around $200.
I found one w/ a 30" barrel and full choke for $180 and another one with a ~24" barrel and poly choke for $100. $280 for a nice old matching set of well-honed wood and steel that cycle slick as can be. And these were both in the last two years.
I still haven't had the heart to cut the Polychoke down to 18.5" as planned, but it's a darn good defense gun as is.
Panthera Tigris
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sm, I think some of those things everytime I read where some "expert" advises someone to just move somplace else if they don't like where they are at. Not all of us can just uproot ourselves, spend hundreds of dollars to move, find a job, have a new place to live lined up, etc. I sometimes wonder about the intelligence of people who make those remarks.
I looked at an 870, but when I held the 1300 it was the one that felt the most right for me. Thus, I have my defense gun with the 20" slug barrel and a trap gun with the 28" barrel.
I looked at an 870, but when I held the 1300 it was the one that felt the most right for me. Thus, I have my defense gun with the 20" slug barrel and a trap gun with the 28" barrel.
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Panthera Tigris,
1300s are nice guns. These fit me very well. I am so glad you actually chose the one that fit YOU. That means a lot to me.
Winchokes. I really really like the Winchokes. Now these may be an "older" design, may appear "short" when measured against others, I will share some of The BEST patterns come from those well thought out , very well designed, Win-Chokes.
External knurled- this will protect the muzzle if dinged. No matter how careful we are, muzzles do get dinged. One of these external knurled gets dinged, and bad, get a new external, less monies that having muzzle repaired. Internal chokes get dinged bad enough- one cannot get the internal choke out, and to remove proper is going to cost money, and still have to get muzzle fit.
Steel Shot Proof. Nice to have in the event you have to shoot Steel for waterfowl or a club that restricts one to non-toxic, and many may still mandate steel shot for this club rule.
Concentric. No shoddy quality control have I ever experienced or heard of with a Win-Choke.
Not expensive. Last checked, still one of the lesser priced chokes one can buy. I do recommend you get a Skeet if you do not have in the event you need to hunt quail, the 1300 with a skeet choke, even in that 28" barrel is great! Shoot some 00 buck out of it too, and check the pattern board, you may be surprised!
So I would recommend in having SK, IC, MOD and Full. Better to have and not need, than need and not have.
Winchester put a lot of research into the Win-Choke. Many folks never look at this or appreciate this older design.
I just always used RIG +P for thread grease, or STOS from Ponsess Warren.
We await your report on trying various loads at the pattern board, and your hat getting shot from running a straight at Trap with your new gun.
Sincere congrats!
Steve
1300s are nice guns. These fit me very well. I am so glad you actually chose the one that fit YOU. That means a lot to me.
Winchokes. I really really like the Winchokes. Now these may be an "older" design, may appear "short" when measured against others, I will share some of The BEST patterns come from those well thought out , very well designed, Win-Chokes.
External knurled- this will protect the muzzle if dinged. No matter how careful we are, muzzles do get dinged. One of these external knurled gets dinged, and bad, get a new external, less monies that having muzzle repaired. Internal chokes get dinged bad enough- one cannot get the internal choke out, and to remove proper is going to cost money, and still have to get muzzle fit.
Steel Shot Proof. Nice to have in the event you have to shoot Steel for waterfowl or a club that restricts one to non-toxic, and many may still mandate steel shot for this club rule.
Concentric. No shoddy quality control have I ever experienced or heard of with a Win-Choke.
Not expensive. Last checked, still one of the lesser priced chokes one can buy. I do recommend you get a Skeet if you do not have in the event you need to hunt quail, the 1300 with a skeet choke, even in that 28" barrel is great! Shoot some 00 buck out of it too, and check the pattern board, you may be surprised!
So I would recommend in having SK, IC, MOD and Full. Better to have and not need, than need and not have.
Winchester put a lot of research into the Win-Choke. Many folks never look at this or appreciate this older design.
I just always used RIG +P for thread grease, or STOS from Ponsess Warren.
We await your report on trying various loads at the pattern board, and your hat getting shot from running a straight at Trap with your new gun.
Sincere congrats!
Steve
islandphish
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It is very hard to decide in the gunstore which shotgun you really want. over ten years ago my family bought two new shotguns. a winchester pump and a remington 870, the model number of the winchester eludes me at the moment but they were very similarly priced.
Now, the 870 is finally almost as smooth in action as the Winchester was brand new. And the 870 has about 20:1 rounds through it comparatively. But I know it is easier to take the remington apart, easier to change the choke tubes, and the 870 is more reliable.
For 300 you can have a "normal" barrel and a short HD barrel in an 870. How is that not a beautiful all purpose shotgun? Chambering at least 3" and choke tubes from turkey to improved? Plus legendary reliability.
I'll keep my beat up 870.
Now, the 870 is finally almost as smooth in action as the Winchester was brand new. And the 870 has about 20:1 rounds through it comparatively. But I know it is easier to take the remington apart, easier to change the choke tubes, and the 870 is more reliable.
For 300 you can have a "normal" barrel and a short HD barrel in an 870. How is that not a beautiful all purpose shotgun? Chambering at least 3" and choke tubes from turkey to improved? Plus legendary reliability.
I'll keep my beat up 870.
Fred Fuller
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PT,
Glad you found a shotgun that suits your fancy. I don't think you will ever regret your choice.
Stay safe,
lpl/nc
Glad you found a shotgun that suits your fancy. I don't think you will ever regret your choice.
Stay safe,
lpl/nc
Panthera Tigris
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I had an 870 for a brief time. It's just as easy for me to take the 1300 apart as it was the 870. As to reliability, I've had just as many folks tell me the 1300 is just as reliable than the 870 as ones who have told me otherwise. If anything, my conclusions have been they are equal in reliability. I've nothing against the 870, but the only 870s that were in my price range were the Expresses, and I have heard and read good things Expresses at not that good.
My next gun (and only shotgun) will be a pump 12 ga, with a 28 inch barrel. I understand why an 18in barrel could be handier in the house, but I don't plan on clearing my house very frequently. If someone gets by the outdoor automatic lights, locked doors, alarm, and German Shepherd, then that is one TOUGH/brave/stupid person. I'll be behind a locked bedroom door with that long barrel pointed at it (and on the phone with a 911 operator), not running commando-style through the house trying to find the BG.
Chances are, 99.99% of the time my shotgun is in use, it will be shooting clays or small game, not BGs.
I'm going with either a 500 or an 870.
If someone gets by the outdoor automatic lights, locked doors, alarm, and German Shepherd, then that is one TOUGH/brave/stupid person. I'll be behind a locked bedroom door with that long barrel pointed at it (and on the phone with a 911 operator), not running commando-style through the house trying to find the BG.Chances are, 99.99% of the time my shotgun is in use, it will be shooting clays or small game, not BGs.
I'm going with either a 500 or an 870.
Panthera Tigris
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Oh, c'mon! You're supposed to wind sprint through the house, do a running shoulder roll and come up blazin away! 
islandphish
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Panthera Tigris,
I think that the Winchester I spoke of was a 1300.
It has been my experience that the 870 Express in the long run is the better gun. Also that the Winchester blows it away on looks, fit and finish. In fact, for the first thousand or so rounds they are probably about even, perhaps even an edge for the Winchester.
However, now that I am past the break-in period and have refinished the stock(the original stain rubbed off very quickly) I feel the 870 is the winner.
In fact, tonight both guns were taken out on a turkey hunt and neither of us had any worry that our gun would function. Yet, we did have this same conversation.
Your Winchester will serve you well, I would have picked an 870 Express.
I think that the Winchester I spoke of was a 1300.
It has been my experience that the 870 Express in the long run is the better gun. Also that the Winchester blows it away on looks, fit and finish. In fact, for the first thousand or so rounds they are probably about even, perhaps even an edge for the Winchester.
However, now that I am past the break-in period and have refinished the stock(the original stain rubbed off very quickly) I feel the 870 is the winner.
In fact, tonight both guns were taken out on a turkey hunt and neither of us had any worry that our gun would function. Yet, we did have this same conversation.
Your Winchester will serve you well, I would have picked an 870 Express.
sulpak
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thanks steve for the info..I live in the Phiippines . Our firearm laws states that we can have any firearms in any type or kinds...but whats funny we cant buy highpowered AR15,AK47 rifles from firearm importers/dealers/gunstores. we can only register our loose firearms but cannot buy new rifles, except for shotguns and pistols.
Just last week a group of rebels attacked an airport that was underconstruction. Pls. check the story.
http://visayandailystar.com/2006/October/09/index.htm
and come to think of it ,its just 20 minutes aways from my main house.
The rebels by the way were wearing police uniforms.
I plan to get a semi (AKKAR)18.5" altay taktik series. 5+1 fix front sight. sells for $420.oo thats the cheapest I can buy for a semi.I understand AKKAR makes shotgun for Charlesdaly. They are selling a semi with 24" with 3 choke cylinder for $500
a philippine made pump cost $360. an 870 would cost us $700 here.
For a rifle.. i have an old M1 carbine .30Cal.. buying an AR15 or an AK47 is to expensive for me.
I'll check on the books you suggested.
thanks alot for your ideas guys.
Just last week a group of rebels attacked an airport that was underconstruction. Pls. check the story.
http://visayandailystar.com/2006/October/09/index.htm
and come to think of it ,its just 20 minutes aways from my main house.
The rebels by the way were wearing police uniforms.
I plan to get a semi (AKKAR)18.5" altay taktik series. 5+1 fix front sight. sells for $420.oo thats the cheapest I can buy for a semi.I understand AKKAR makes shotgun for Charlesdaly. They are selling a semi with 24" with 3 choke cylinder for $500
a philippine made pump cost $360. an 870 would cost us $700 here.
For a rifle.. i have an old M1 carbine .30Cal.. buying an AR15 or an AK47 is to expensive for me.
I'll check on the books you suggested.
thanks alot for your ideas guys.
sulpak
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thanks steve for the info..I live in the Phiippines . Our firearm laws states that we can have any firearms in any type or kinds...but whats funny we cant buy highpowered AR15,AK47 rifles from firearm importers/dealers/gunstores. we can only register our loose firearms but cannot buy new rifles, except for shotguns and pistols.
Just last week a group of rebels attacked an airport that was underconstruction. Pls. check the story.
http://visayandailystar.com/2006/October/09/index.htm
and come to think of it ,its just 20 minutes aways from my main house.
The rebels by the way were wearing police uniforms.
I plan to get a semi (AKKAR)18.5" altay taktik series. 5+1 fix front sight. sells for $420.oo thats the cheapest I can buy for a semi. a philippine made pump cost $360. an 870 would cost us $700 here.
For a rifle.. i have an old M1 carbine .30Cal.. buying an AR15 or an AK47 is to expensive for me.
I'll check on the books you suggested.
thanks alot for your ideas guys.
Just last week a group of rebels attacked an airport that was underconstruction. Pls. check the story.
http://visayandailystar.com/2006/October/09/index.htm
and come to think of it ,its just 20 minutes aways from my main house.
The rebels by the way were wearing police uniforms.
I plan to get a semi (AKKAR)18.5" altay taktik series. 5+1 fix front sight. sells for $420.oo thats the cheapest I can buy for a semi. a philippine made pump cost $360. an 870 would cost us $700 here.
For a rifle.. i have an old M1 carbine .30Cal.. buying an AR15 or an AK47 is to expensive for me.
I'll check on the books you suggested.
thanks alot for your ideas guys.
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