Is there any reason to take 38 super over .45 acp?

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Sounds like a plan, provided you let me get the range and targets :D Also would you rather go somewhere closer to you? I don't mind the drive, and its only fair.
 
No...the drive if fine. I'm a Lifetime Member at Double Action.

Geno
 
Assuming you can shoot both equally and that the .38 Super can be more advantegeous in concealment and comfort level; no problemo....:)
I've always had the suspicion that pistoleros concerned with bore size lack confidence, shooting skills, or both...:uhoh:
 
I think my experience today might have sold me on the .45. It's far easier to find ammo for (i don't reload), and more importantly, the Series 70 doesn't currently offer a model in .38 Super (as far as I know). That being said, i think the .38 Super would be more than adequate, as a matter of fact i think it would be very fine indeed, but I think at this point a .45 makes more sense. Of course, when i'm financially secure enough to get Colt to make me a custom Series 70 reissue in .38 Super, that might change entirely :D
 
Did you check with Colt to see what they would charge for building a Series 70 .38?

I have several makes of .45 and .38 1911's. I shoot the .38's about 95% of the time. They are so much softer recoiling, but loud and a blast.
 
Nah i just shot one for the first time today. It's going to be a bit in the future, since i'm moving and have to save for that first. I guess:p After I move then hopefully i'll be able to pick one up. And after that hopefully I can see how much one in .38 Super would be and even more hopefully it will be an acceptable price :D
 
eldon519 said:
I looked into the .38 Super alot, but to get the full potential of the round, you need a ramped, fully-supported barrel. To my knowledge, Kimber is the only company that makes such a gun from the factory, and I don't particularly care for that individual model or Kimber as a company.
You need to check out the CZ clone Tanfoglio Witness in 38 SA, I have been told it has fully supported barrel. I know my 45 ACP & 10 mm barrels are full support ramp models. Check out http://www.eaacorp.com/index.html

When I decided on 10 mm over the 38SA it was because the factory 10 mm loads are about on par with 38 SA +P and is easy to shoot but when hand loaded it is a barn burner with 155 grain easy doing 1350 fps and up for hot loads. Also factory loaded ammo is easier to find for 10 mm then 38 SA for some reason.

All that said I would still love a 38 SA in a 1911 or 3rd gen S&W auto similar to my S&W Chiefs Special 45 ACP which is a light weight CCW pistol with a 6+1 that would easy be 8+1 in 38SA or 10mm configuration.
 
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IIRC, Roswell has it right. If I know my history, the standard .45 ACP and .38 specs were having difficulty going through car doors of the bonnie and clyde era. Thusly colt developed the .38 super cartridge in the 1911, and S&W responded with the .38 Super Police in the .38-44 heavy duty. Both were supposed to have better penetration effects against steel and glass.

Note: supposed to, I don't know for sure, I only know what I've read.
 
setzer77:

Only one way to resolve this dispute...pull up some cars (I prefer not to use our own). I'll bring the .38 Super and the .45 ACP. :neener:

I have two videos posted around here that shows such a test on auto windows, windshields and door. It was pretty cool.

Doc2005
 
I think on "theboxoftruth" they showed that almost any pistol round can penetrate a car door, some through both doors if i recall correctly. I wonder if it's a matter of more modern ammunition, or if car's of that time were built more sturdy. Probably a combination of the two. That being said, i still have an unnatural obsession with .38 super, and so in the (probably distant) future i'm gonna get a custom Series 70 in it and and... :Drools:
 
If you can shoot it better in 38 super, that's reason enough. If you want to, that's also reason enough. Both will do the job.
 
One fact that I have come to appreciate about the .45 ACP versus .38 Super is the availability of near-maximum potential loads in factory-loaded ammunition. The .38 Super is so under-loaded that it defies logic. Most factory loads of 115 to 124 grain projectiles depart the barrel between 1,150 to 1,250 FPS. The 1,250 is a +P load? The hand-loads for the 124 grain .38 Super depart the barrel at 1,594 FPS. Now that is hot...hot as in .357 Sig-hot.

If we are taking power, and penetration, etc, and we are, then the factory-loaded .38 Super ain't all that. However, hand-loaded .38 Supers are all that, and then some! And so, IMHO, the choice is truly "to hand-load, or factory-load". If the OP plans to hand-load ammunition, then yes, the .38 Super is tremendous. If the OP plans to buy factory-loaded ammunition, the .45 ACP is the superior choice.

Personally, I own Colt 1911s in both calibers; I like both. I prefer the .45 ACP because I can purchase "genuine" +P loads for it, not loads referred to as +P when they are not.

In closing, I seriously doubt that a 115 grain .38 Super, factory loaded to 1,199 FPS (a +P load) has as-much-power or penetration as a 230 grain .45 ACP factory-loaded to 1,000 FPS. Do the math.

JMHO.

Doc2005
 
The super was designed to penetrate car doors in the '20 and '30. Trust me they are made of much sterner stuff and today's sheet metal doors!
 
The .38 super and the .357 mag where developed in the late 1920's and early 30's as a response to law enforcements needs to overcome the body armor of the day. Ballistics of the .38 super is superior to the 9mm +P+ especially with bullets heavier than 125gr. The .357 SIG is a very close match to the super. (source Wikapedia)
 
Well, as previously stated, most modern, factory loaded .38 Super rounds are essentially 9mm strength, maybe 9mm +P. You may be able to find some "hot" stuff out there, but it's few and far between, and not loaded by the major companies ("hot" stuff being what .38 Super is supposed to be and what it was back in the roaring 20's and such when it was used quite sucessfully)

Now, there certainly is a boatload of people out there (myself included) who feel that 9mm is an adequate SD/PD round. Thus downloaded, or modern, .38 Super should also be adequate. However then a few other issues come up.

First, platforms. Most 9mm lovers also love the high cap Glock, SIG, HK, etc, etc, etc. With the exception of the Witness, most .38 Supers are 1911's. Of course there are those who love a 1911 too, and having one that uses 9mm or equivalent is just fine.

Second, availability. Finding .45 is easy as pie. Every Wal Mart and Mom and Pop store which handles any ammo will most likely have some .45. Not nearly so for .38.

Third, and potentially most important (it is to me at least), bullet selection. There is a large group of experts who feel that most modern handgun loads have similar effectiveness in SD/PD situations due to the most modern bullet designs such as Gold Dots, Rangers, Golden Sabre's, and the like. It's easy to get .45, 9mm, .40, and such in those loadings, and they are readily found even at smaller stores. None of the big companies load such bullets into a .38 Super. The most modern commercial load is the Winchester Silvertip, which is at least two or more generations old. You may find some smaller companies which load modern SD bullets into the .38, but then you're dealing with smaller companies and potentially poorer quality.
 
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I would get a gun that is setup for 9x23 Win/38SC/38SA and also 9x19. That should only require an extra barrel. You can plink with the 9x19 (I like plinking with 9x23 :evil: ). Use the 9x23 for SD/HD/etc.
 
Pssh, for penetrating targets 7.62x25, unfortunately it is an odd ball round and tends not to cause much of a wound.

I looked at .38 Supers and really liked the idea. But when i actually searched around for he pistol and then the ammo, it was not such a great idea. A plane jane .45 would do just as well and if I wanted hi capacity then I was stuck with 9mm or a rather large .45. Anyways, it nice to hear they are such nice rounds to deal with and the recoil isn't much.
good luck with your decision.
-bix
 
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