Is this Polymer Pistol "Cocked & Locked?"

[Zenon]

It's my understanding that the Springfield XD, when loaded, has the striker fully cocked, whereas a Glock is partially-cocked until squeezing the trigger, which continues the striker spring tension and completes the striking action.

In my mind, this means that the XD is effectively carried "cocked & locked" and a Glock is carried in a condition not exactly so.

Not a problem, except that since I carry an XD, I now realize I'm basically carrying in a C&L condition; I originally thought I was carrying something "safer" and not exactly in the same condition as a 1911 C&L'd.

For some silly reason, I don't have the same concerns as carrying a 1911 C&L'd, yet I now realize there is not much of a difference.

 

[boing]

The difference is a 1911 is actually "locked", and the others aren't.

 

[Redlg155]

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0BTT/160_26/92585765/p3/article.jhtml?term=


I thought the article above to be of some interest as well as shedding some light between the two trigger action types.


As for cocked n locked vs the SA design..or any striker design, folks tend to be a bit more nervous when they think of a visible hammer cocked back. Hide that same hammer internally or in the form of a striker and much of the uneasiness goes away.

Now of course if you had a Davis P380...well you should be nervous about carrying those things "hot".

Good Shooting
Red

 

[Dave T]

I'll admit I'm not all that familiar with the XD but my understanding is it isn't exactly "locked". It's more a case of cocked and unlocked, except for the grip safety (which 1911s have) and a DA trigger pull (which 1911s don't have). Is there another safety on the XD I am unaware of that allows the owner/operator to "lock" it?

 

[Archer]

since I carry an XD, I now realize I'm basically carrying in a C&L condition; I originally thought I was carrying something "safer" and not exactly in the same condition as a 1911 C&L'd.

Obviously any design pistol is neither safe nor unsafe- it requires human participation to do anything at all.

A cocked and locked 1911 is far safer to work with than many pistols out there.

If you know that your gun is always loaded, you keep your finger off the trigger unless engaging a target, you never cover anything with the muzzle you do not intend to destroy, and you know your target and what lies beyond it, you will be as safe as possible.

 

[Zenon]

Dave T - No lock. The XD has a trigger similar to a Glock with the trigger safety. The pull is somewhat between DA and SA. But it is consistent

Archer - to clarify my point, I'm trying to justify in my mind the fact that the XD is EFFECTIVELY cocked and unlocked. Not exactly the same as a 1911, that, I understand, but the fact that the striker is fully cocked with the built in "safety" features (plus my noggin safety); multiple things have to happen to fire the weapon including the grip safety, trigger safety/pull and intent to use.

To my point - I guess if I carry an XD with a round chambered, then there's basically no difference between that and carrying a C&L 1911, which I currently don't. But this might change my mind.

 

[bad_dad_brad]

Don't know much about the internals of the XD. I know a lot about Glock's and have the utmost confidence in the Glock "Safe Action." If I pull the trigger it will go boom. If I do not, it won't.

That is all I need to know.

By the way, the XD has a grip safety. Sigh! I hate grip safeties.

 

[DMK]

...I now realize I'm basically carrying in a C&L condition; I originally thought I was carrying something "safer"...

That's funny. DA pistols give me the willies. I just can't get myself to carry around a loaded gun without the safety on. I keep picturing that trigger catching on something. Yet a C&L 1911 or CZ-75 is oh so comfy.

We all have our idiosyncrasies I guess.

 

[miko912]

Second strike...

Please help me understand. In the event of a round that doesn't fire, would the XD be capable of a second strike or would the slide need to be cycled thus clearing the round and re-cocking the gun. Is a glock like this, or does the trigger cock the striker each time. Understand, my only handgun is a CZ75b so it is all that I'm truly familiar with. Otherwise I'm pretty much a newbie. Thanks


Bill

 

[Jim Watson]

The XD with chambered round is fully cocked, unlike a Glock.
The XD has been stated to be a single action design by the DoJ, IPSC, and IDPA. This is limiting its opportunities for US police contracts and keeps it out of competition in the entry level Production and Stock Service Pistol categories.

I do not consider that the grip safety renders it "cocked and locked" in the same sense as a 1911 or other gun with manual safety. This is a gun being carried in Condition Zero mostly dependent for safety on a heavy trigger pull as is common in striker fired pistols. The grip and trigger blade passive safeties are cleared automatically as you take a firing grip and are not comparable to a thumb safety.

 

[Zenon]

Jim - You hit the nail on the head, this is my concern, if I am gripping the gun with finger on the trigger, I'm then in condition zero. But finger out of the trigger guard, then it's something more than zero.

I guess the XD "way" is to be considered an "automatic" safety disengagement, not a bad thing for the 21st centrury I suppose

When I go to the range, as soon as that XD is in my hand and my finger is about to engage the blade on the trigger, I KNOW it's ready to rock. It's when it's holstered and hands-off is when I get the heebie-geebies.

All said, it's a matter of trust in the design and the manufacturer. I'm either gonna get used to it or get rid of it.

miko912 - the gun can (re)cocked by engaging the slide about 1/4+ inch without ejecting the round.

 

[c_yeager]

So in other words its just like carrying a 1911 without the manual safety engaged?

I never really understood the "safe trigger" concept. I realize that the idea is that it wont fire unless the trigger is pulled. But, i have never met a handgun that would fire WITHOUT the trigger being pulled anyways.

 

[miko912]

Zenon...

Thanks Z, That was the answer I was looking for. An XD-Sub may be in my not so distant future.


Bill

 

[gharsh]

Don't forget that a good holster helps ensure safety as well. If the trigger is covered, then it shouldn't catch on anything. If the holster has a thumb break of some kind, then that adds another level of security.

From the discussion, it does sound like the gun is cocked and unlocked, only because there is no way to lock it. This could be some of the thinking of why there is a grip safety on this gun. Because it is not a locked gun.

The way I see it, good gun handling and a safe carry set up is all that is needed for any gun to be carried safely.