Is this sling backwards?
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mustanger98
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There are several different ways to look at the M1907 sling. By National Match method, yes, this is backward. However, I recall one blogger rigging his this way... he slings his rifle in "African carry".
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Tried to link a video, but it didn't work. Google M1907 sling use for correct instructions. Yes, backwards for any practical purpose I can imagine.
BobCat
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You may find this useful http://ray-vin.com/tech/slinghelp.htm
If you leave it assembled as it is, turn it end for end, and install with the frogs facing the rifles, I think it will be right.
If you leave it assembled as it is, turn it end for end, and install with the frogs facing the rifles, I think it will be right.
mustanger98
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To the best I recall reading...
With the frogs facing away from the rifle, it's Army style. With the frogs facing toward the rifle, it's correct for the Marine Corps and the Army Marksmanship Unit uses the USMC method.
With the frogs facing away from the rifle, it's Army style. With the frogs facing toward the rifle, it's correct for the Marine Corps and the Army Marksmanship Unit uses the USMC method.
I did watch a video on YouTube that was linked into another forum post. I want sure if there was another method that worked this way.
That was very helpful. I bookmarked it for later use.
lysanderxiii
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yes.
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Does it matter for you?
Some use their arm, some their hand. What do you do?
My sling just helps me carry the rifle.
I am boring.
Some use their arm, some their hand. What do you do?
My sling just helps me carry the rifle.
I am boring.
entropy
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It is handier that way for African carry, but I'd switch it around.
I have always used a hasty sling and have it lock tight when my elbow touches my ribs and my hand is near the front action screw.
The military technique is supposed to be even more steady, so I thought I would try it.
Legionnaire
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BobCat, that's a very helpful link. Thanks.
The link above shows the 1907 sling rigged in the USMC fashion. With that method, the frogs face the rifle and both sling keepers are together.
There is also the Army method which is outlined in these instructions:
http://thecmp.org/training-tech/armorers-corner/1907-sling-installation/
Note that with this method, the frogs face away from the rifle and there is an upper and a lower sling keeper. If you watch a lot of WWII movies or actual war footage, you will see most of the 1907 leather slings on Garands slung this way.
Here is a video on how to rig the 1907 sling in the USMC fashion and how to use it as a loop sling as a marksmanship aide:
These are the two most common ways to rig the 1907 sling that allow it to be used as a loop sling, but they are not the only ones. There are also "no pulse" configurations but I'll leave that for another thread. Which to use is a matter of preference. If you are only using the sling for parade carry or as a hasty sling either will work fine but I prefer the appearance of the "Army" method. When using the sling as a loop sling, having both keepers together may allow you to get a more secure grip of the loop on your arm. However, with the USMC method, the excess length of the free end of the long strap points up toward the muzzle of the rifle, and the strap itself has to bend at a pretty sharp 180 degree angle at the frog, which I have always found a little awkward. With the "Army" method, the excess length of the running end of the long strap points downward toward the butt of the rifle in a somewhat more natural alignment. If you want to use the sling as a loop sling, try both methods and see which you prefer.
There is also the Army method which is outlined in these instructions:
http://thecmp.org/training-tech/armorers-corner/1907-sling-installation/
Note that with this method, the frogs face away from the rifle and there is an upper and a lower sling keeper. If you watch a lot of WWII movies or actual war footage, you will see most of the 1907 leather slings on Garands slung this way.
Here is a video on how to rig the 1907 sling in the USMC fashion and how to use it as a loop sling as a marksmanship aide:
These are the two most common ways to rig the 1907 sling that allow it to be used as a loop sling, but they are not the only ones. There are also "no pulse" configurations but I'll leave that for another thread. Which to use is a matter of preference. If you are only using the sling for parade carry or as a hasty sling either will work fine but I prefer the appearance of the "Army" method. When using the sling as a loop sling, having both keepers together may allow you to get a more secure grip of the loop on your arm. However, with the USMC method, the excess length of the free end of the long strap points up toward the muzzle of the rifle, and the strap itself has to bend at a pretty sharp 180 degree angle at the frog, which I have always found a little awkward. With the "Army" method, the excess length of the running end of the long strap points downward toward the butt of the rifle in a somewhat more natural alignment. If you want to use the sling as a loop sling, try both methods and see which you prefer.
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BobCat
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Prone is incredibly stable, you will love it!
Seated with ankles hooked is good, but if you are flexible enough (I am not, any more) to sit cross-legged with your knees flat toward the ground, and your elbows locked into the inside corners of your bent knees, you will find that to be almost as stable. You're all triangulated and the sling is pulling the rifle irresistibly into your shoulder.
I used the web sling for years because the leather sling seemed too complicated. Once I was shown how to use it, it is better and rock solid.
Seated with ankles hooked is good, but if you are flexible enough (I am not, any more) to sit cross-legged with your knees flat toward the ground, and your elbows locked into the inside corners of your bent knees, you will find that to be almost as stable. You're all triangulated and the sling is pulling the rifle irresistibly into your shoulder.
I used the web sling for years because the leather sling seemed too complicated. Once I was shown how to use it, it is better and rock solid.
Legionnaire
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This thread got me reading because I needed a sling for a No. 1 RSI. I have a two-piece sling on one rifle (it was on the rifle when I bought it, and it was backwards); it works well, but it is a bit of a hassle to adjust. I ran across this resource on a Whelen-type one-piece sling and decided to go that route. I haven't shot with it yet, but it slings up nicely (in my living room) and feels very solid in various positions. I like it.
https://sportingroad.com/2018/10/04/jack-oconnors-whelen-rifle-sling/
https://sportingroad.com/2018/10/04/jack-oconnors-whelen-rifle-sling/
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BobCat
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The sling looks great. But one thing in that link is most excellent! On page 349 of his book, some of which is shown as photographs, under "Trigger squeeze and coordination" he defines "jerking" the trigger, and "flinching" - both of which are the root source of inaccurate shots. I know them well. There is a lot of good stuff at that link!
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