Is Winchester Super Double X Magnum the hardest firing 12 ga ammo around

[JROC]

If not then my new 12 ga is a POS. My gosh the recoil this gun produces, and this is only 2-3/4 shells I'm shooting. I normally don't consider myself weak but after only three shots my shoulder is a little sore. Lets just say you defiantly won't mistake this gun for a Beretta.

Also every time other than once when I fired it I would rack the slide back unintentionally from the recoil and it would grab the empty shell. That may be my fault, but it's something I can't have happen, and I've never had it happen with any other 12 ga pump whether it's a 870, Mossberg, my old Winchester 1912, or whatever other pump action shotgun, but this gun does it very easily for some reason. I need to figure out how to prevent that from happening. It's a Winchester SXP Defender BTW.

 

[Uniquedot]

Isn't the sxp just a revamped 1300? if so those guns were designed to use the inertia generated by recoil to open the action after firing. They became known as speedpumps and some are so marked. With practice the guns will fully eject the spent hull upon firing leaving the shooter only having to shove the forearm forward to make the next shot.

 

[LeonCarr]

If you want the hardest firing shotgun ammunition around, start here and here:

www.dixieslugs.com

www.brennekeusa.com

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[JROC]

I think it's mechanically almost the same gun even though it's cosmetically different. And your probably right, but maybe I should try it with less powerful rounds. The stuff I fired today really surprised me in how hard it made the gun recoil. Speed loading doesn't do much good IMO if it recoils too hard to get a good follow up shot off quickly.

 

[stressed]

You want a hard hitting slug, fire the lightfield 3.5" 1 3/8 oz slug for nearly 5000ft lbs of energy. Yeah, it kicks.

http://litfld.com/wp/?page_id=310

 

[JROC]

I'm not really looking for overly hard shooting rounds necessarily. Probably any 00 buckshot is more than powerful enough to put a home invader on their ass with the quickness. I want a gun that manages recoils somewhat decently. Maybe one reason this gun kicks so hard is because it's so damn light. I mean this gun has got to easily be the lightest 12 ga I can remember shooting.

 

[stressed]

Federal makes 2 3/4" tactical buffered/plated 9 pellet 00 LOW RECOIL LEO stuff that you might want to check out.

 

[rcmodel]

Low-recoil 00 buck will be your best bet.

The Winchester 1200/1300 design is supposed to open itself forcefully for some odd reason?

My late brother-in-laws 1200 would take skin off your left had from the forend checkering ripping through it when shooting 2 3/4" Magnum goose loads.
You couldn't hold onto it hard enough to stop it!
Then you had to re-position your hand in the forearm for the follow-up shot every time.

I never did warm up to that deal rat cher!!

If they wanted it to be a semi-auto, they should have put a recoil spring in it and called it a Model 1400 semi-auto.

Oh wait!
They did!

Always seemed like a design flaw to me, compared to every other pump gun ever made.

rc

 

[PabloJ]

Federal makes 2 3/4" tactical buffered/plated 9 pellet 00 LOW RECOIL LEO stuff that you might want to check out.

It's 1145fps premium stuff with "flight control" marked LEO. It looks like wonderful HD load.

Please don't fall for the Italian proverb: 'If it does not kick it does not work'.

 

[Virginian]

Winchester Super XX loads are some of the best factory fodder one can buy in my opinion. Before lead was outlawed, I really had to work at it to make handloads that even equalled them.
Any good pump should open at least partway after firing - it's how they work. As soon as the pressure is off the locking mechanism the recoil throws everything back, and you stop the receiver, and the fore end an bolt keeps moving. I can shoot my Wingmaster one handed with promo loads and it will fully eject the empty. Believe me, if the breech wasn't locked when the round fired, you'd know it all right.

 

[MattShlock]

I load the very same devastating make 3" Mag copper-plated 000 Buckshot for black/brown-bear defense in a ported, short-barreled, 12 ga. pump. This bear-spray bucks the wind a little better than many aerosol condiments.

 

[45crittergitter]

I think Activ loaded a bit more payload than most everyone else.

 

[Redlg155]

Try a limbsaver recoil pad combined with reduced recoil loads.

A lot has to do with the individual fit, regardless of the brand. An ill fitting $5000 shotgun can hurt worse than a $300 Remington 870.

 

[Fleetman]

IMO, the H&R single-shot 12's kick the worst for me since they're so light. I have an old 10 ga single but haven't shot it in years.....I think I flinched when I typed this!

 

[JROC]

This is the hardest recoiling and least fun 12 ga I've ever shot other than a cheap single/double shot 12 ga. Hell my dad has a NEF 20 ga single shot and even that thing is a PITA to shot. Still this gun kicks hard. 3" buckshot feels terrible in this thing. It's been a while since I've shot one, but I never remembered a short barrel 870 ever kicking nearly as hard. I took my old Winchester 1912 with me to compare the two, and it's butt stock is hard plastic where the SXP is pretty softly padded and my old model 1912 is like shooting a Cadillac compared to this thing. Even low brass cheap target ammo isn't very pleasant to shoot from this gun, and it sucks because you need some pretty peppy loads to make the gun want to do it's autoload thing but it kicks so hard that you don't want to shoot it fast. This gun makes you want to shoot it from the hip.

This is a shame because other than the recoil it produces it has some excellent qualities. It's very light(likely one reason it recoils so bad) and easy to manuvuer and point with. It has extremely smooth and enjoyable action on it's slide. It has a nice trigger, and is just comfortable to hold. The funnest pump to hold and dry fire, but the least funnest pump I've experienced to actually fire.

Just for a comparison of a old Winchester 12 ga pump compared to a new one:

 

[Virginian]

Interesting. Some people are talking about ammo, ans some people are talking about guns. Might be time for a refresher course in reading comprehension.