Jorg Nysgerrig
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Uh, ok...
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Basically,
Unless you fall under the Law of Return, specifically at a minimum, one or more of your grandparents has to have been Jewish OR you are married to an Israeli you will NOT be allowed to emigrate. Oh and to make it even more fun, unless your mother was Jewish the Israeli government still does not regard you as Jewish.
Even converting to Judaism, unless performed by an Orthodox rabbi, will not guarantee entry. If you want to go down that path, expect at a minimum 3-4 years of instruction and a substantial life change.
You can apply for one of the temporary work permits if you either want to do Kibbutz level manual work or if you have a needed (typically high tech) skill set. Neither gives you any citizenship privileges.
I won't even start on the political landscape, intrusion of orthodox religion into almost every aspect of your personal life, substantial tax burden, militarization and insularity of society etc etc.
Unless you fall under the Law of Return, specifically at a minimum, one or more of your grandparents has to have been Jewish OR you are married to an Israeli you will NOT be allowed to emigrate. Oh and to make it even more fun, unless your mother was Jewish the Israeli government still does not regard you as Jewish.
Even converting to Judaism, unless performed by an Orthodox rabbi, will not guarantee entry. If you want to go down that path, expect at a minimum 3-4 years of instruction and a substantial life change.
You can apply for one of the temporary work permits if you either want to do Kibbutz level manual work or if you have a needed (typically high tech) skill set. Neither gives you any citizenship privileges.
I won't even start on the political landscape, intrusion of orthodox religion into almost every aspect of your personal life, substantial tax burden, militarization and insularity of society etc etc.
Rossshady120
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i love how i dont have to go thur a substantial change in life for me to go back there. they even want to send me back over there but i'm going to the bahamas with them instead. because of the jewish people i have bin to the holyland and NYC for under 500 bucks
ezypikns
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You may want to do a little research there.
Most European countries have taxes that will knock you on your rear. Also, you might want to give a little thought as to how you'd make a living. You know, they speak them "foreign languages" there. In order to do anything except be a restroom attendant, you'd have to know Finnish (like, in Finland), or German or possibly French (depending on what part of the country you'd be living in) in Switzerland.
I may be wrong, but as bad as some in this country have it (Illinois, Wisconsin, maybe California), our gun laws will probably allow more freedom than any other country in the world.
Most European countries have taxes that will knock you on your rear. Also, you might want to give a little thought as to how you'd make a living. You know, they speak them "foreign languages" there. In order to do anything except be a restroom attendant, you'd have to know Finnish (like, in Finland), or German or possibly French (depending on what part of the country you'd be living in) in Switzerland.
I may be wrong, but as bad as some in this country have it (Illinois, Wisconsin, maybe California), our gun laws will probably allow more freedom than any other country in the world.
nyggis
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That might be closest to the truth! I´m allowed to own four rifles or shot guns for hunting use only. No military type weapons whatsoever.. If I am able to motivate the need I can get two more. That´s it! For all weapon purchases a license from the local police is needed. It takes about three weeks. Weeee!!! Go Sweden!!
Nevertheless what happens after your election, I hope that common sense will prevail, so that the US will be able to set a good example for the rest of the world regarding gun laws.
Regarding the Israel issue;
For a couple of years I have been thinking about going to Israel to serve with the Sar-el project. Have any of you guys done that? Experiences? Comments?
Warm regards from a cold, windy and rainy northern Sweden!
Rossshady120
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i had this sweden vodka last nite never again i think it was called svedka
jaholder1971
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Unless you're Jewish, forget about it. Their gun control laws, despite the hoopla, are worse than many of the bigger U.S. cities and are dependent on whether or not you're of the right religion.
Only democracy in the Middle East my rear end, it's just as much a theocratic government as the rest.
Only democracy in the Middle East my rear end, it's just as much a theocratic government as the rest.
nyggis
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You know... We need that s##t to be able to live here under these conditions.... =(
I just tried an American beer this evening. Coors Light. To quote Monty Python, it was like making love in a canoe.
I just tried an American beer this evening. Coors Light. To quote Monty Python, it was like making love in a canoe.
dodging230grainers
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I won't start an argument, because that might get this thread locked, but that statement couldn't be further from the truth.
Back on topic:
Basically, if you want a gun permit, you have to complete the following:
A. Be an Israeli citizen (Jewish, Arab, or Christian, is .rrelevant)
B. Live in Israel for at least the last 3 years
C. Write down a reasonable need to have a gun
D. You are only allowed 1 pistol, 1 rifle, and 2 shotguns maximum, though each type requires seperate forms. Usually the rifle form only gets approved if you live in or near the green line. Though once you are approved, you could keep/open carry a full auto Uzi/Galil/M4, etc.
E. If you work in anything security related, civilian or police, you will easily get a firearms permit, and be allowed to keep and open carry pretty much anything. Mall security and hotel security guards in Israel can often be seen with Uzi's slung over their shoulder.
Israeli's don't carry guns for criminal protection, because violent crime amongst Israelis is almost zero, unlike the United States.
The reason firearms are so prevalent is purely to stop terrorist attacks and border incursion raids, and to be ready to mobilize quicker if another arab war breaks out. Do not worry about petty crime there, there is practically none.
Unless you are going to live past the green line (post 1967 territories), there really is no point in owning a gun.
Hk91-762mm
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Well as I see it -you should stay here and defend the homeland!
The SCOTUS has determined that the 2A is an individual right --When the Corrupt government tries to take that right away its the citizens duty to rise up and cast off a faulty and corrupt government .
Are up Enough of a patriot to Stand next to your fellow American and defend your country??
The SCOTUS has determined that the 2A is an individual right --When the Corrupt government tries to take that right away its the citizens duty to rise up and cast off a faulty and corrupt government .
Are up Enough of a patriot to Stand next to your fellow American and defend your country??
bonza
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Nyggis said:
That's one of my favorite jokes, but it was English comedian Jasper Carrot who said it, not Monty Python.
That's one of my favorite jokes, but it was English comedian Jasper Carrot who said it, not Monty Python.
Gary Frost
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I think if ossma bans all firearns the US will still lead the world in firearms ownership. However cumbersome.
kingpin008
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Good god. His name is Obama and the word is spelled firearms.
A little effort goes a long way with stuff like spelling.:banghead:
throdgrain
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I'd stay where you are if I were you.
Kind of Blued
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You could always move to Montana.
And raise you up a crop of dental floss.
And raise you up a crop of dental floss.
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I'm sure Obama WON'T take away Joe Biden's guns, or Chuck Schumer's machine-pistol that he was famously photographed firing with great joy, or the carry permits for every crooked politician in New York City and Washington DC. Those people are the elite - their guns are going to be safe no matter what.
We common folk - we're the ones in danger.
As for Israel - and I say this as someone who's Jewish, though not observant - I can't see the point of moving there unless you are an orthodox Jew and you want to "return to the homeland," and are able to speak Hebrew and fit in with the culture there. Otherwise, you'll be moving to an unfamiliar place, in the middle of a barren desert, and you'll literally be a stranger in a strange land. What's the point? Even if Obama gets elected and the gun rights start to evaporate, you're still better off in, say, rural Montana.
JImbothefiveth
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Moving to Isreal is probably not a good idea, I hear terrorism is a big threat there, and they could get even nuked by Iran.
He wants to ban all semi-auto shotguns, as well as 12 gauge slugs. I wouldn't be surprised if 12 gauge duck loads could pierce level II vests, in which case those would be banned too.
razorback2003
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Visit another country
You will want to come back to the USA after you visit overseas and see how people live. I hear it all the time from people who travel and everyone of them tells me they often enjoy their trip but are glad to be back in America whether it was when we had anti gun Clinton for president or lukewarm pro gun Bush.
Most Modern/Westernized countries have extremely high taxes and cost of living. No matter how bad it may get here with Bahama Bama, it won't be as bad as Europe in four years. Imagine paying HALF of your salary to the government....that is what the French and Germans do. We may overall pay a quarter to third at most. Israel is a very socialized country. I'm not saying that is bad or good...i'm not getting into another country's affairs....but there are not a lot of personal freedoms in Israel in addition to the high taxes. Most European countries do not have the freedoms we have...they can legislate/ban whatever they want on a whim. There is really no open space in other Westernized countries, if you like to hunt, fish, or have enough of your own land
You will want to come back to the USA after you visit overseas and see how people live. I hear it all the time from people who travel and everyone of them tells me they often enjoy their trip but are glad to be back in America whether it was when we had anti gun Clinton for president or lukewarm pro gun Bush.
Most Modern/Westernized countries have extremely high taxes and cost of living. No matter how bad it may get here with Bahama Bama, it won't be as bad as Europe in four years. Imagine paying HALF of your salary to the government....that is what the French and Germans do. We may overall pay a quarter to third at most. Israel is a very socialized country. I'm not saying that is bad or good...i'm not getting into another country's affairs....but there are not a lot of personal freedoms in Israel in addition to the high taxes. Most European countries do not have the freedoms we have...they can legislate/ban whatever they want on a whim. There is really no open space in other Westernized countries, if you like to hunt, fish, or have enough of your own land
dodging230grainers
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If they did,your life would be drastically changed here in the United States, I assure you.
Terrorism has been a threat there since World War I.
Don't move to Israel for the guns. Move there for ideological reasons. That's about the only reason...
Despite all the whining from the dittoheads, Obama is not a socalist. American presidential elections are center-right compared to the rest of the the world. There are real socialists in the rest of the world - people who actually advocate socialism. Folks who have made aliyah to Israel will tell you that they often shocked by the degree of socialism. While Israel has a complex and passionate political landscape, the dream of the kibbutz is a socalist dream - not private property, for example.
If you think Obama is a socialist, then you'd better stay sage and ignorant behind US borders. You'll pee in your pants if you ever met a real socalist.
Don't move to Israel for the guns. Unless you have a particular job, or you live in a particular area, you'll have less access than in (most of) the US. And you'll pay truly socialist levels of taxes.
Mike
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Not in name perhaps, as of now.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa?=PAGE.view&pageId=78945
His reply to "Joe the Plumber" about wanting to "spread the wealth around" certainly doesn't make him sound much like a capitalist to me.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."~~ Karl Marx (well known capitalist ), Critique of the Gotha Program, 1875.
), Critique of the Gotha Program, 1875.ieszu
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Just to get this back on topic (and non-political), I have done some research on the topic and have had the issue answered by the deputy Israeli Ambassador to Australia (he happens to be the father-in-law of a friend of mine).
Anyone who is a citizen of Israel can apply for a firearm permit. You can receive more than one, although each gun must have its own permit. There is no legal distinction between full-auto or semi-auto, and reloading is legal although components can be hard to come by.
The general rule is that you have to be a citizen for 3 years, although they can shorten it for various reasons. Imagine immigrating there, moving into one of the dangerous areas (such as Sderot) and getting a job as a security guard. They will probably issue you a permit in such a case.
There is no set constitution for the country. They have only two laws that are unchangeable. The first is that the Knesset (Parliament) must have 120 seats and the second is the "Law of Return". The Law of Return merely states that any person who is considered Jewish by the Rabbinate (mother is Jewish or the individual converted according to Rabbinic standards) can become a citizen as soon as they set foot in the country. Anyone else can still become a citizen, they just have more paperwork to do and it could take a month or so to process.
A persons religion does not matter, nor does their politics. There is an Arabic-Socialist party that has seats in the Knesset and the country is a democracy. The fact that some in the country have power and can enforce their wishes on the others is due to them voting as a block and the politicians catering for their support because they tend to vote in every election in high numbers. Not too dissimilar to the way certain constituencies are listened to in the USA... they come out and make their opinion heard.
Now, back to the OP's question: The gun laws there are strict, they do not have freedom of speech or press (nor do they restrict it) and there is no such thing as due process. There is no guarantee that you will get a gun permit if you move there, so if you move there for non-ideological reasons, you will be giving up most of the rights you have, to move to an unfamiliar country with a strange language and culture (If someone is fluent in Hebrew, and is willing to get in a clerks face, they can bargain over the price of milk in a grocery store.... and that is acceptable behavior.)
It is your choice. But don't move with the idea that you will be handed a Galil or Uzi as soon as you get off the plane. You will be disappointed and probably taken in for questioning if you ask for one
Anyone who is a citizen of Israel can apply for a firearm permit. You can receive more than one, although each gun must have its own permit. There is no legal distinction between full-auto or semi-auto, and reloading is legal although components can be hard to come by.
The general rule is that you have to be a citizen for 3 years, although they can shorten it for various reasons. Imagine immigrating there, moving into one of the dangerous areas (such as Sderot) and getting a job as a security guard. They will probably issue you a permit in such a case.
There is no set constitution for the country. They have only two laws that are unchangeable. The first is that the Knesset (Parliament) must have 120 seats and the second is the "Law of Return". The Law of Return merely states that any person who is considered Jewish by the Rabbinate (mother is Jewish or the individual converted according to Rabbinic standards) can become a citizen as soon as they set foot in the country. Anyone else can still become a citizen, they just have more paperwork to do and it could take a month or so to process.
A persons religion does not matter, nor does their politics. There is an Arabic-Socialist party that has seats in the Knesset and the country is a democracy. The fact that some in the country have power and can enforce their wishes on the others is due to them voting as a block and the politicians catering for their support because they tend to vote in every election in high numbers. Not too dissimilar to the way certain constituencies are listened to in the USA... they come out and make their opinion heard.
Now, back to the OP's question: The gun laws there are strict, they do not have freedom of speech or press (nor do they restrict it) and there is no such thing as due process. There is no guarantee that you will get a gun permit if you move there, so if you move there for non-ideological reasons, you will be giving up most of the rights you have, to move to an unfamiliar country with a strange language and culture (If someone is fluent in Hebrew, and is willing to get in a clerks face, they can bargain over the price of milk in a grocery store.... and that is acceptable behavior.)
It is your choice. But don't move with the idea that you will be handed a Galil or Uzi as soon as you get off the plane. You will be disappointed and probably taken in for questioning if you ask for one
dodging230grainers
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good advice from the poster above me, sort of sums it up.
As I said, the BG threat over there is worlds apart from Anytown, USA. Nice country though, if you can live with the drama.
As I said, the BG threat over there is worlds apart from Anytown, USA. Nice country though, if you can live with the drama.
JImbothefiveth
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If the next president gets REALLY ban crazy, Canada might be a good place. They speak english, they can own semi-autos, and they can own large calibers. If Ted Kennedy's ammunition ban+ a ban on CCW+ a ban on hi-capacity magazines+a ban on semi-autos+ a ban on handguns is enacted in the U.S., Canada starts to look pretty good.(I don't want to leave the U.S., but if you did, Canada may be the place to go)
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