ISSC M22 - is it worth the money?

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GLOCK conversion Alternative- ISSC M22 - is it worth the money?

I thought this one could be fun but I don't know much about them so any feedback is highly appreciated:

-It looks they have the same ergonomics as the glock so muscle memory from Glock could be utilized? Glocks G17/G19 or smaller/larger, same feeling in the hand?
-Anyone with some decent amount of hours behind one of these? I wonder about reliability and what ammo likes best and what ammo is worse.
-Any pros and cons anyone?

http://www.gunblast.com/ISSC-M22.htm

Cheers,
E.
 
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I've heard nothing but good about the M22. $200 at Buds. There's some threads here about it. You should do a search.
 
I have had one for 6 months 1500 rounds thru it. Break it in with CCI Stingers for the first 300-400 and mine chews up anything you feed it. If you dont break it in right...Jam-O-matic!

Feels like a Glock19 shoots really nice...sights suck, especially front. I changed mine out to Hi-Viz front and adjustable reat and is real accurate. Easy to clean, just make sure recoil spring is seated correctly. Mags are great and extra ones are 20 bucks

Mike
 
Thank you guys.
I do weekly defensive shooting with the Glocks so I like the idea to use a new pistol with the same ergonomics controls I am used to so that is why I looked at this one.
The only 3 pistols I fire are the Glocks, the Beretta that shot a lot back in the service, and a colt 1911. So anything new I want to keep it into that line and designs and this seems to be able to provide the same feel as the glock. Obviously w/o the recoil and I have a 50K rounds laying around of 22lr so it is time to start using them.
A friend suggested a conversion kit for one of the glocks I have but I will never fiddle with the systems I carry. I do preventive maintenance, rotate the carry ammo and the mags and I just will not touch them other than training.
22LR is what it is and a dedicated pistol like this seems like a good idea but I didn't hear from them until recently.
Thanks again.
 
I went ahead and ordered a new one. We'll see how this goes. Thanks for your recommendations. I might post my experiences for others to see.
 
Issc .22

I have fired my dads, I had the honor, privelage and P.I.A. of breaking it in for him. He ordered the threaded version which shipped with an adaptor, I ran only 3 mags of stinger thru it before switching to 40 grn hi-velocity, I didnt think the gun was very accurate when compared with my P22, I shot both of them from the bench for comparison, then again, the P22 isnt very accurate compared to my Ruger MKI, so take that for what its worth.
The ISSC and P22 do have something in common though, they both get real dirty real fast, to the point that they will not cycle, this was achieved in only 100 rounds total in the ISSC, including the 30 rounds of Stinger, plenty of FTF & FTE during that 100 rounds too. I will admit that I did not adequately break it in before switching to 40 grn ammo, but the real goal of the day was to have a chance to shoot it suppressed with the limited amount of range time I had that day, which I never had a chance to do due to the failure and no time to properly clean during range session.
I intend to follow up on my testing of the ISSC next chance I get to shoot it, hopefully it will perform to the level expected from it.
 
The reviews here and other places scared me off of buying one. Then I went another direction and bought the GSG 1911. I've put about 600 rounds thru it, probably 1 stovepipe per 100. Nearly flawless with cheap Federal and Winchester bulk.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I will test it and let you know how it goes. Initially I do not care so much about the accuracy, rather something to 'play' with and the ergonomics of the glock.
Cheers, E.
 
I got one a month ago. The first 200 rounds fired flawlessly. The next time out, it was just a jamomatic. I haven't put much time into diagnosing it. I've stripped it and cleaned it, but haven't had the chance to shoot it yet since that, so I don't know if that made any difference.
 
I tested the pistol briefly today. I used stingers but didn't like them too much.
I can see some of the issues folks commented but I believe these will work out.
What load did you guys use to break in?

Here the pics...
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ISSCM2202.jpg

ISSCM2201.jpg
 
It's got a fairly hefty looking barrel, looks surprisingly well made in that respect.
 
The trigger has a longer travel than a glock. It feels like it has a half inch or so of slack travel in it. Then it encounters resistance. Id say it's pull in the 5-6 lbs range. It does have a clear, predictable break though. The trigger having essentially no resistance through that extra travel does make it easy to stage this trigger.

Compared to a DAO glock trigger, I'd call it fair, to slightly less than favorable.

Compared to a SA trigger (which it is), it's kind of a disappointment.

Mine shot great for the first 200 rounds, and now it's jamomatic, and not getting better. I think I know why. I think the slide is painted aluminum. At least, it's a rather paint-like coating. When it was new, and paint in perfect condition, it shot great. Now, the paint is wearing off the rails on the inside of the slide, and the inside of the barrel opening (Basically anywhere the slide rubs on something, the paint is wearing off). Paint on a mechanical wear point is piss poor design, IMO.
Manually racking the slide, produces a strange sound as the slide drags across the machining grooves on the outside of the barrel. It's a really unsatisfying sound. It wasn't present early on, when that wear point was lubricated by the paint on the slide.
At this point, I'm wondering what it will run like when I get it "broke-in" to the point the paint is completely worn off those wearing surfaces.
 
I've heard that they are picky with ammo, but otherwise good guns. Keep feeding it CCI mini-mags and it should be fine. I can't stand picky guns, so I won't own one. Yep, gonna stick with my ruger 22/45 that will eat anything.

I'm hoping the new S&W M&P22 will not be picky, but most .22s that are clones of centerfire caliber pistols are.

Manually racking the slide, produces a strange sound as the slide drags across the machining grooves on the outside of the barrel. It's a really unsatisfying sound. It wasn't present early on, when that wear point was lubricated by the paint on the slide.
At this point, I'm wondering what it will run like when I get it "broke-in" to the point the paint is completely worn off those wearing surfaces.
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Even when you lube it up?
 
Beesleeper,
I have been reviewing the design carefully and what you say makes a lot of sense. There is quite a bit of resistance as you break in. I think that a good and frequent cleaning of the debris and slightly polishing the parts until fully break in would help.
I also noticed that there is substantial initial resistance to move the hammer so a little polishing and lube will help in the top of the hammer.
Additionally I see the feeding problem with certain bullets in slow motion. The bullets in the bulk Remington pack have a little bit of step up into the bullet grooves and that bullet rim just makes them stop on the top of the barrel. If you see the CCI's also step up but progressively on an angle so there is less change they will get caught going in. See the attached picture.

M22LongRifle.jpg

I think that the design is good but quality control is not there and probably the reason they are cheap. I will make this firearm run like a champ so stay connected for updates and let me know about your experiences.
 
I've been playing with the idea of scraping the remainder of the paint out of the grooves in the slide, and seeing what that does. Half of it has worn away on it's own in about 300 rounds, so it's going to go anyway. If I do that though, I certainly don't want to do it with a tool that would gouge the aluminum. I'm also worried if it would void the warranty if I did that. The same with polishing the barrel with some fine grit emery or sandpaper. It would be nice to smooth it up, but again, is that a warranty voiding issue?

The machine marks on the barrel are too deep and rough for lube to make a difference (I have lubed it generously). I don't know if my particular one is a manufacturing defect, or they all have this poor of an exterior machine finish on the barrel.

1stmarine: I have noticed the hammer drag you speak of. The slide moves much more easily by hand if you hold down the hammer with your thumb to take it's load off. That definitely illustrates how much drag the hammer puts on it (not unreasonable). I haven't polished anything in that area, just lubed it generously. I also think you are right on, that the design is solid, but the QC is poor. I still think it's a neat little gun if I can get it reliable. If I can make it work well with a little elbow grease, I do think I'll still be happy with it (woulda been happier to run perfect right out of the box, tho...)
 
1stmarine: how is the finish on your barrel? Drag your fingernail across it lengthwise, do you feel the machining grooves?
 
Well there's your problem with the FTF & FTE!!! Your shooting .380's & .223's through it!! Try some .22lr & you should be good. ;^)

Seriously though, it's a $200 .22. Ftf & fte are the nature of the .22 autos. It's gonna happen. You can't expect these little "Plinkers" to be 100%. If you want a 100% .22 you got to go with a (Cant believe I'm saying this) Buckmark, Mk, High Standard etc but even these have their problems sometimes, again it's the nature of a .22 auto. I have 7 S&W 22a & I've done A LOT of fiddling to get them to run constiantly without problems but they can now compete with the others.

I can't believe how many people complain about their "Low End" .22 autos. If you can't realize that the "Cheaper" .22's are gonna take some fiddling with to run good, quit being cheap & save more money to buy a nicer pistol. Don't complain about the fact that you spent $100-$200 on a .22 pistol & it's a Jam-O-Matic or not accruate.

I don't even have a ISSC but Im gonna get one. Not because it runs right out of the box or is accruate, but because I like to "Tinker" with things to make them work better. This is why I like .22 auto pistols. If your not a "Tinker" & want 100% "Bang" everytime pistol I'd say stay away from the .22 autos period or go with a .22 revolver. A .22 auto is a horse of a different color & needs an owner that has a Dremel tool & some "Tinkering"
skills.

Also I'd like to say that all you .22 auto guys that buy one, put a couple mags though it then sell it for a loss because it's a "Jam-O-Matic", PM ME!!! I'm a .22 auto freak & always in the market for the "Sweet" deals!
 
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I have seen good designs fail and bad designs inexplicably work so this is a matter of QC that we now get o do. I personally will do it for fun. I am not worry about warranty and I don't think they can do much for us for the that cost. Anything I do will not be radical and with careful thought. Polishing will be done w/o impact to the tolerances and will only shine what we already have. I will start with things that do not require any modifications and are simple in nature. I am also going to try a different spring and play with it. That is a no brainier. I do this for fun and I will make it run. I have been given systems that were totally unreliable and ended up running pretty well. It might take a while as other fun projects are there too but it will run.

I agree with you guys that 22LR we should expect stoppages due to the nature of the round but in the end I would like this pistol to perform more like a Ruger 10/22 rifle with the occasional and unavoidable case failure.

I am not a big fun of 10/22 but I have 40K rounds that are getting old in the basement and thought this would be a great way to shoot them while preserving some of the muscle memory from the glocks. I shoot glocks for defensive shooting every week and like to stay with the same feel as this one provides some of the similar feedback in terms of shape and controls.

By the way, anyone knows where to get ISSC parts? I think the striker pin needs to come down a bit more so before I replace them I need to make sure they have a replacement kit or something. I am not doing this right away and see what other more obvious things will make a difference.

I forgot to mention when it was shooting the pistol was very accurate. I was hitting orange size targets at 25 yards consistently. I liked that a lot.

I will share my experiences here.
Cheers,
E.
 
Seriously though, it's a $200 .22. Ftf & fte are the nature of the .22 autos.
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In over 1000 rounds I've yet to have one in my 22/45. Make them right and the only thing that will stop them is normal wear and tear and bad ammo. I haven't had either yet.
 
A bit more than $200, but my CZ Kadet runs like a malfunkin' champ, runs with everything, Remington subsonics, Federal bulkpacks, loves CCI and Aguila, all of their hotter stuff I've run through it, it eats it like cake, and you know what?

My Taurus PT-22 runs almost as well. A hair less well, but it is reliable enough that I know I can count on it as a carry gun, even if I can't count on it's caliber as a primary gun.
 
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