It Doesn't Take Many Idiots To Ruin It For The Rest Of Us

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.308 Norma

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Yesterday afternoon, a buddy of mine took me to the Downey Public Shooting Range to try out a few of one-another’s handguns. Downey is a small town about 20 miles south of here, and even though we’ve lived in this valley for 37 years, until yesterday, I didn’t even know that range existed. As I’ve posted several times, my family’s “shooting range” has always been a county gravel pit about 2 miles south of the house. As it turned out though, I’m actually acquainted with the farmer/rancher who donated the land and used some of his own equipment to help push dirt around and turn that area near Downey into a public shooting range.

Anyway, it’s a real nice place – a 50 yard handgun range, a 200 yard rifle range, and a shotgun trap and skeet range on the other side of the gravel road. There are sidewalks leading around to concrete shooting benches and seats, and even a covered picnic area with a couple of tables a little ways back behind the shooting areas. What’s more, it’s free! There’s a sign on the storage building that reads, “This public shooting range is sponsored by the NRA Foundation through the city of Downey, Idaho.”

Now for the rant – the sign mentioned in the above paragraph had a bullet hole through it! Several of the other signs posted around the range were shot up so badly they were almost unreadable. In the target area on the handgun range it was obvious a lot of shooters had used glass bottles for targets. And all that’s to say nothing of the millions of steel and aluminum cases that people have just left on the ground wherever they fell.

Besides the bullet holes in the signs and storage building, several of the pipes that are the support frames for the target stands were almost ready to collapse because they (whether intentionally or not) had been shot through so many times.

Another guy my buddy introduced me to showed up to shoot his 1911s while we were there. He said he has some pieces of angle iron at home that, now that winter’s over, he is going to bring and weld to the support pipes for the target stands. That way, the bullets will be deflected, instead of going through the pipes. But the old guy is doing it for free – he just wants to have stands for himself and others to hang targets on. He’s a retired Probation Officer, and he said he especially enjoys seeing families show up at the range because the kids of those kinds of families are the ones he, as a Probation Officer seldom had to deal with when they became teenagers.

Anyway, I just can’t understand why some people are so obnoxious. That range is a good place to shoot, or even go have a picnic if that’s your thing. And unless you’re a member of the NRA (as we are) it doesn’t cost a thing. But a few idiots are messing it up. They’re messing it up nearly as badly as the idiots my wife and I are always cleaning up after whenever we go down to the county gravel pit to shoot.:(
 
Stuff like this is super frustrating. I live just a couple of miles away from the Antelope Island causeway on the Great Salt Lake. Since the lake has receded so much it is, once again, legal to shoot down on the salt flats (shotguns only). There are constant complaints about junk being left out there and I won't be surprised the day they ban it. I actually stopped going because I have the OCD bug and can't leave garbage out there so I was spending more time cleaning up after people than shooting.
 
And all that’s to say nothing of the millions of steel and aluminum cases that people have just left on the ground wherever they fell.

But a few idiots are messing it up.

While I know "millions" is a hyperbole, with enough discarded cans to warrant the comment, it sounds like the idiots are numerous.
 
Yep, this is why range's get your money. They're regulated and for that, you pay. I'll pay the fee for the provided services of a regulated range over a free one any day. People love to abuse things like this.
 
While I know "millions" is a hyperbole, with enough discarded cans to warrant the comment, it sounds like the idiots are numerous.
Yeah, I suppose you're right - it probably wasn't "millions." I've been handloading for revolvers since the late '70s, but I'm just getting into loading for semi-autos. And I was getting a little perturbed looking for cases from my "brass chucker" amongst all the steel and aluminum cases people had left on the ground. Besides that, my buddy and I were using the "handgun" part of the range, and I know steel AK-47 cases when I see them. My 9mm cases were scattered amongst plenty of them too.
 
Yep, this is why range's get your money. They're regulated and for that, you pay. I'll pay the fee for the provided services of a regulated range over a free one any day. People love to abuse things like this.



Absolutely. My local indoor range I'm a member of charges me $35/mth and I generally go 4-6 times a month. They provide the clean up and all I have to do is be safe.

I do have a friend that has a private outdoor range, where a handful of folks who all know each other will meet 1-2 times a month. One of the things we ALL participate in at the end of the day is cleaning up casings. Might not sound like much with just a few guys but we have one guy that regularly brings 1-2k rounds with him, in addition to the few hundred each of the rest of us will shoot. We generally spend the better part of an hour cleaning up.


Respect is something lost on a lot of today's society...
 
I really don't see much difference between years ago and today except for one thing. There are a lot more people making the mess today but people have always been slobs. At least I don't see as many shot up road signs and mail boxes out in the country as I used to although I still see quite a few.
 
Absolutely. My local indoor range I'm a member of charges me $35/mth and I generally go 4-6 times a month. They provide the clean up and all I have to do is be safe.

I do have a friend that has a private outdoor range, where a handful of folks who all know each other will meet 1-2 times a month. One of the things we ALL participate in at the end of the day is cleaning up casings. Might not sound like much with just a few guys but we have one guy that regularly brings 1-2k rounds with him, in addition to the few hundred each of the rest of us will shoot. We generally spend the better part of an hour cleaning up.


Respect is something lost on a lot of today's society...

Get some tarps. Even on hot days brass doesn't get hot enough to burn/melt through tarps. They aren't guaranteed to catch all of the brass but they're easy to roll up and dump into a bucket. Or sweep into a bucket if you have people shooting mass quantities.
 
Get some tarps. Even on hot days brass doesn't get hot enough to burn/melt through tarps. They aren't guaranteed to catch all of the brass but they're easy to roll up and dump into a bucket. Or sweep into a bucket if you have people shooting mass quantities.
That sounds like a great idea! I always have a tarp anyway in the tool box behind the cab of my pickup truck. Next time I'm out shooting one of my "brass chuckers," I'll put that tarp to use. Thanks!:)
 
Get some tarps. Even on hot days brass doesn't get hot enough to burn/melt through tarps. They aren't guaranteed to catch all of the brass but they're easy to roll up and dump into a bucket. Or sweep into a bucket if you have people shooting mass quantities.



That probably wouldn't work so great for us logistically as we're kind of all over the place, and some moving while shooting is done.

My point was more the general lack of respect regarding cleaning up after ones self in general.

That's a great idea though if shooting from a central/stationary point. I'll keep that in mind.
 
Our local range owned by Hocking County Fish and Game is very similar to yours. 200 yd rifle range, 20 and 30 yd handgun ranges and a shotgun range. Ours is members only though and we still have stupid people destroy things. Holes in signs, the trash cans have been shot, and some people leave trash. Although there's not a lot of trash left at the range it's still enough to be frustrating sometimes. As much as I too hate to admit it, this is why ranges are regulated. People just don't have the decency to do what's right just because it's what is right. Most of our members are good but a few do stupid stuff.
 
At least I don't see as many shot up road signs and mail boxes out in the country as I used to although I still see quite a few.
Since we've lived here, the mail boxes up and down the road we live on get "baseball batted" about once every four years. I don't know why, there are high school boys that turn 16, 17 and 18 years old every year. Yet it seems like it's only once every four years or so that a bunch of them comes along thinking they invented Mailbox Baseball. Maybe it's like leap year or something.:D
But yeah, you're right. I hadn't thought about it, but I don't see as many shot up road signs as I used to. Maybe the types of people that used to shoot up road signs are going to un-supervised public shooting ranges to shoot up things there instead. I guess that's safer than shooting road signs and mailboxes at least.:)
 
.308 Norma....

Here's a far reaching suggestion: Do as we have done here in Layton, UT.

The county owns the land that the range is on. The range is shared between public shooting and LEO training. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday it "belongs" to the shooting club.

The shooting club is Wahsatch Shooters, which totally runs the range with volunteers. It's a controlled range with Range Officers on duty whenever it is open.

Range Officers get keys to the place, and can go shoot pretty much any time they like. In return, they do 40 hours of range duty per year. That is plenty of incentive. When I was serving as Executive Officer, we had a pool of 130 ROs.

The range has several bays, and hosts matches as well as public shoots.

The club collects $60 per year or $10 per day per family. All the money goes to range maintenance and supplies and to liability insurance.

When the club took charge, the range was unimproved dirt. Now we have a range house, concrete benches, and other amenities, all done without costing the county a dime.

There is no junk on our range. Nobody leaves trash, and nobody shoots at glass or ceramic targets. Range Officers have full authority to send anybody home if they don't follow the safety rules.

Once or twice a year we get a work detail of inmates from the local jail to do cleanup. They get a day outdoors, and we feed them pizza at the end of the detail. From time to time, we get Eagle Scout projects for some of the other details.
 
A man should always carry with him his manners , and he should always carry himself with class ,...... America has lost this ....And I know why ..but that's another post.........And I have been playing a lot of big band music lately because I know my heart longs for something.................
 
I haven't been on a public range for several years. The club had to rebuild our target stands not long ago. Its a shooting range so things DO get shot. However, six months (or so) ago some body shot the legs to splinters on both the 50 and 100 yard stands. Don't know who or why. just plain sorry actions.

Mark
 
I would say things were worse 20 to 30 years ago. Informal outdoor ranges were just garbage pits. After I got a little aware, I used to bring garbage bags and take out more stuff than I brought in. The increase of indoor and outdoor formal ranges, tighter land management, plus the general public reaction against shooting pits, seems to have eased the burden. People tend to take better care of their hidey-hole shooting spots.
 
Our club range has had dues paying members to shoot things up.
We had a plate rack on the pistol range. It soon got rifle bullet holes.
I ordered some genuine certified armor plate gongs.
The one on the pistol range would stand any true pistol round (AR "pistols" and single shot pistols in rifle calibers not included.) at any range safe to shoot at steel.
The ones on the rifle range would stand any non-AP rifle round from the 100 yard line.
It wasn't long before we had dents, craters, and holes, with rifle brass ten yards away from all.
Pipe and angle iron target frames four feet square had multiple hits, obvious that Bubba was shooting at the frame, not a target on the backer held by the frame.
 
I always have a few contractor type garbage bags in my truck. When I go out to the local gravel pit I usually end up filling one with shot up beer cans, TV parts and other junk that people have just left there. A lot of these places are getting gated due to slobs. But sometimes I get lucky and find a lot of brass as some small reward for my efforts to keep the place clean.
 
I have membership in a local recreational shooting group that has quite a sizeable outdoor range-- 20 acres total, of which 10 acres is the actual range, divided into pits for rifle and handgun. Local and regional matches of all sorts are held there. I have never seen trash strewn about, other than spent .22 cartridges. Each pit has a trashcan, and people use them. Target stands are piled in a corner of each pit, and there's a barrel of wooden stakes to use with them. There's no attendant on duty, nor anyone going around checking membership cards, although there is a sign-in book. I have no idea why it stays so tidy, although the fact that it is tidy may help people be conscious of it and behave accordingly. It's not expensive-- $100/yr for both range and shooting club membership-- but maybe the fact that there's a fee makes a difference in people's attitudes.

Public shooting spots in the nearby National Forest are another story entirely. People regularly leave appliances that they've used as targets, and there was even a shot-up old Ford van out there for a while once. I think it's only a matter of time before the Forest Service says "no more." They've already blocked off a few of the most popular spots with boulders.
 
Now for the rant – the sign mentioned in the above paragraph had a bullet hole through it! Several of the other signs posted around the range were shot up so badly they were almost unreadable. In the target area on the handgun range it was obvious a lot of shooters had used glass bottles for targets. And all that’s to say nothing of the millions of steel and aluminum cases that people have just left on the ground wherever they fell.

That scene describes, exactly, every single outdoor, unsupervised range / shooting area I've ever encountered. :(
 
HAHA - "Idiots ruining it for the rest of us."

I think about that whenever I drive down my street & through parking lots & have to crawl over those annoying speed bumps - put there to stop speeders. It's like "The fact that you could kill someone by speeding is not a good enough reason to drive safely, BUT the risk of damaging your car certainly is."
 
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