Ithaca offered...Need advice...

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Local antique dealer has an Ithaca Model 37R for sale. The M-37 is Ithaca's excellent pump shotgun, with bottom loading AND ejection--Making it a great shotgun for lefties. I'm somewhat interested. Cannot find any info at all on the 37R. (There is lots of info on 37's generally, of course.)

On cursory inspection, the shotgun looks "Okay," plenty of evidence of use, but in working condition.

So, what's with the "R" designation? Gun is a 12 ga, full choke, 2 3/4" chamber.

Any suggestions as to (a) what we have here, or (b) where to go for more info. The "official" Ithaca Gun Co. website only talks abt their new production. There doesn't seem to be an Ithaca collectors' group.
 
If memory doesn't fail me the 37R was discontinued decades ago. It should have a solid rib with an ivory bead.
 
Thx...

For the responses. The shotgun looks "regular" length for a sporting arm, i.e. NOT a riot gun. Also it is labelled "full choke," which I don't think would be used in a riot gun. It does have a rib on the bbl.

Will check serial #, rib for solid or vented, and bbl length when I re-visit the shop, I think later today.

Again, thanks to all!
 
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How about R for regular ;) I found a reference to 37R with pics in a shotgun book and it looks like a steel receiver ribbed shotgun offered both in standard and deluxe models.
 
It stands for Rib.
Trust me!

M37 = Plain barrel - Field grade (1937 - 1983)
M37R = Matted solid rib - Field grade (1940 - 1962)
M37S = Skeet grade - fancy wood & vent rib (1937 - 1953)
M37T = Trap grade - fancy wood & vent rib (1937 - 1953)
M37T = Target grade - fancy wood & vent rib (1954 - 1961)
M37RD = Deluxe solid rib (1954 - 1962)

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Thx to all!

SC Shooter--Good link. I'll get the ser # tomorrow--Dealer wasn'topen when I went by today.
RC Model--Trust you to come through with ALL the variant designations! Nice!
One Ounce Load; Huntsman; appreciate your chiming in also!
 
37R's, are as have been described above, are solid rib models. they either would have been shipped with a brass bead (as my 1949 has) or the RayBar sights, that came on the scene in the late 50's/early 60's.

special order, or "Deluxe" models could have been shipped with other sight bead options.

the ribs are "soft soldered" to the barrels, as such, they cannot be hot blued or the rib will come off. If a person buys one and wants it restored, the barrel has to be old fashioned rust blued by someone who understands what they are doing so as to not ruin the gun.

Full choke guns surface the most, then Mod chokes.

The 2 Holy Grail guns for the average person to find would be either a 20 or a 16 ga, in Imp Cyl, followed by a 12ga from prior to 1954/55 (when the stock designed changed, I would have to consult my book, I don't remember which year exactly).

Equally as nice and desirable, would be the "Standard Grade Deluxe" models that started to be produced in the mid 50's. They shared the hand checkered buttstock of the earlier years with a finger grooved beaver tail forend. I have a 1957 field barrel gun in the Std Deluxe configuration.

Of course Ithaca put out higher grades, but they are fewer and further between and tend to command much higher prices.

Additionally, solid rib guns that have had poly-chokes put on them surface. They don't bring as good a price as an unmolested version.

My 1949 is in better than 90% condition. It has the added benefit that during the time when Ithaca was in King Ferry NY (and maybe even still in Ithaca NY) the company would make barrels on the old barrel thread pattern to be fitted to the old guns.

I have a barrel made during the 1970's, with Vent Rib and choke tubes, fitted to my 1949 receiver.

It is of course a 16ga, which is what I focus on.

I found a 1961 date of manufacture solid rib 16ga gun for my neighbor in a local gunshop. It is a 16ga with a Mod choked barrel. It is pretty cool. It is the Deluxe Std grade, but by 1961, Ithaca had quit using the stock patterns from the early 50's and were simply hand checkering the stocks that came on the standard grade guns.

The finger gripped beaver tail forend was still in use. These pictures show what a Deluxe Standard Grade will look like.

I am restoring this gun to factory new specs. It had some rust pits on the barrel that I had welded up by a shop that has a lazer. The lazer will not heat up, nor deform the thin walls of a shotgun barrel.

The pictures after the one showing the barrel pits are of the 1949 16ga. It has the 26" VR barrel on it at the time of the pictures.

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Buy it Now - do not pass Go, do not collect $200!

Take it out and enjoy it - no finer gun make!!!!
 
There doesn't seem to be an Ithaca collectors' group.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=59

or

http://www.ithacaowners.com/index.php?sid=d8ab9b6af2bcf32ea30d9022a3554f80

With it being a 12ga Full, it would be a bit tight with today's standard ammunition. Depending on condition and intention, if the condition warranted leaving it as a collector's piece, you would have the start of an Ithaca collection.

Or, you could have the barrel opened up by a qualified shotgun gunsmith who knows how to ream a choke out straight to the bore axis and turn it into a very fine hunting gun.

The older solid rib guns were during the days of the barrels being individually fitted to the receiver. Only Ithaca 37's (regardless of gauge) with a serial nbr greater than 855,000 can use the interchangeable barrels. Barrels pre and post 855,000 are mutually exclusive.

Pre-855,000 barrels can be fitted by a gunsmith who understands the mechanical relationship. Cost is usually in the neighborhood of 75.00 plus shipping both ways, plus the cost of the additional barrel, if you can find one.
 
Again, Thx to all...

I knew that THR'ers would come through!

Dr. Cook--THAT is a beauty! My friend just wants a shotgun with which to hunt--a USER, not a collector.

Jaguar XK 120--Funny you should use that phrase--$200 is the asking price.

...Or mebbe if my lefty friend isn't too enthusiastic, I'll just buy the thing myself. Like I need another pump shotgun. But--A 37...Gee, a 37...
 
Funny you should use that phrase--$200 is the asking price.

extremely good price for a solid rib Ithaca 37, regardless of gauge, if it is in halfway decent condition, ie: not a junker. for 200 dollars, as Jaguarxk120 said, grab it and run for the door.

Ithaca 37 LH safeties are easy to come by and swap out. Ithacagun sells them. It takes about 15 or 20 minutes, including making a cup of coffee, and taking a person's time, to swap a safety, once you know the procedure and the little tricks.

There is a PDF available off the SGW Ithaca forum (field maint guide) that shows to take the gun apart, and/or anyone over on the Ithaca forums can help.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=276530

Be advised that Ithaca 37's multiply themselves. Once you own one, especially the one prior to the change to 3" shells, they become habit forming. Ithaca 37's handle extremely well and are a delight to carry and use.

I would like to get a 12ga 2 3/4" Imp-Cyl chambered gun for myself, 26" barrel and a solid rib would be the icing on the cake. One day I will find one, just to have and use every once in a while.

90% of the time I take a 16ga that I built with me when I hobble around in the woods looking for dinner. The other 10% I take one of the other 16ga guns I have.
 
Prior to the mid'ish 60's, Ithaca only put VR's on 37S (Skeet) and 37T (Trap) guns. If you do have one, most likely it will say Simmons Ribs on it.

This is a 1951 vintage 37 16ga with a Simmons vented rib. I restored this gun, but messed the bluing up when I was trying to hide the silver solder at the bottom of the posts. I have to strip it and send it back. It is also a Full choke gun with a 28" barrel. I actually bought a gun out of Florida solely for the wood. There was a 1951 that had a poly-choke on it that I found in a gunshop that I swapped the wood around on to fix my VR 51. You all would appreciate it as it is going to make a great gun to stalk squirrels with.

The 37T and S's command a high price. Currently I am on the lookout for a 20ga 37S that actually has a Skeet marked barrel (Ithaca did sell S&T's with whatever barrel choke was ordered). I have a collector acquaintance that is looking for a high end condition 20ga 37S not myself.

This one is a little pricey, but I wanted to share with all the forum members here what they look like. These are really cool guns. These are the type guns Ithaca actually put their own ribs on prior to 63/64'ish. They shared the rib style with the Knick single barrel trap (IIRC) (lawyer speak, posting this link does not endorse, recommend etc the sale of this Ithaca, only put here to share the gun as I do not know or have any connection to these folks)

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ithaca-37-S-rare-16-gauge-Skeet-grade.cfm?gun_id=100194663

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WOW!!

Such an incredible wealth of information! STILL didn't make it back to the dlr today, darn. (Putzy stuff--You spend all day doing things, and at the end, have you gotten anything actually DONE?? Bah.) More info tomorrow, as I think I'll just walk in there w/2 Benjamins, and then come home and take my time measuring, photographing, posting, etc, etc.
 
By the way, over on the GunsInternational site for selling firearms, if you mouse click on one of the pictures, it will open the picture up on a new browser page. Then if you click on the picture, it will walk you through the pics. That is pretty astute how they had their site programmed for.
 
There is no other gun I covet more than my old dsps 37. 7+ rounds and the wear marks of riding around in a squad car trunk. Just a beautiful old shooter with an action like butter and worn slide and stock that feels like a warm handshake with an old friend.

Any Ithaca that isn't trashed is more than worth a couple bills. Love, love, love these old guns.
 
Got back to the dealer...

He wasn't in, but his assistant let me in. Therefore couldn't talk about pricing, etc. But, I did check the things you've asked me about:

Barrel--28 3/8" of it beyond the receiver. It does have a solid rib as it should. Labelled "2 3/4" chamber" and "Full Choke." Seems to be tight to receiver.

Serial # is 504XXX-4, which says that it was manufactured in 1953. What is the "-4" for??

Bore looks to be OK--a little what might be shallow pitting, but could just be dirt--None of that up by the choke.

Function--I ran some empty shells through the gun (with permission.) Feeds just fine; VERY enthusiastic ejection! Takes 3 in magazine + 1 in chamber.

Receiver is steel, not Aluminum.

Blueing--shows a little wear & tear--You couldn't call it rust spots, just some rough-looking spots on the barrel.

Stock--Finish is "OK". Gun has been used in the field, not cherished in a collection. 3 or so cracks starting right at the front end of stock; don't look serious.

Fore-end--Is what I think you call "corncob."
 
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