It's time for a new toy. What's next??
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Brian Williams
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Get the Colt
no, get the 870
errrrr colt
870:banghead:
I can't help much
So, Get a Glock
I do not know what you Arsenal contains, Oops I meant Collection contains
If you have a few autos, get the 870 otherwise get the Colt
Unless you get a Police trade in 870 and get the Colt used????
no, get the 870
errrrr colt
870:banghead:
I can't help muchSo, Get a Glock
I do not know what you Arsenal contains, Oops I meant Collection contains
If you have a few autos, get the 870 otherwise get the Colt
Unless you get a Police trade in 870 and get the Colt used????
Ala Dan
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Hello!
While I like both, the Remington 870 and the Colt Commander;
one has too consider his/her's top priority. In other words,
what will each be used for? Me being me, and thinking the
way I do; I'd probably get the Colt first, unless home D' ranks
at the top of your list. Two reason's, a) the Colt is a little bit
harder to find, and b) its also more expensive!
I like
to get the "big ticket item's" out of the way quickly; to keep
from raising my wifes suspicion. And, I guess you could
add a third reason; and that would be cuz I like shooting
handguns, more than I do shotguns.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
While I like both, the Remington 870 and the Colt Commander;
one has too consider his/her's top priority. In other words,
what will each be used for? Me being me, and thinking the
way I do; I'd probably get the Colt first, unless home D' ranks
at the top of your list. Two reason's, a) the Colt is a little bit
harder to find, and b) its also more expensive!
I liketo get the "big ticket item's" out of the way quickly; to keep
from raising my wifes suspicion.
And, I guess you couldadd a third reason; and that would be cuz I like shooting
handguns, more than I do shotguns.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
I already have one autoloader -- a Beretta 92FS. No shotguns.
Boy! I want that Colt. Then again --- that 870 could be a lot of fun. So could the Colt. Hey -- a .45 --- traditional --- heavy slow caliber. Shotgun --- big badaboom.
Boy! I want that Colt. Then again --- that 870 could be a lot of fun. So could the Colt. Hey -- a .45 --- traditional --- heavy slow caliber. Shotgun --- big badaboom.
I can hardly blame someone for wanting a 1911, but I would say to get the shotgun if you don't have one now. The .45 vs 9mm debate certainly has some merit, but much, much less than it used to in the face of quality +p 124gr JHP 9mm offerings from the likes of Cor-Bon and others.
It will be very versatile with simple and relatively inexpensive barrel changes, it can become a deer getter, home defense piece, and a bird gun/skeet-trap shooter. Since you already have one autoloading pistol, the shotgun is the bigger void, in your collection for sport, and tactically for self-defense.
If I were told I was to be dropped off at some random point in North America, and told I could only have one gun, but unlimited ammo and accessories, it would be the 870, and three barrels. Rifled slug, cylinder bore riot, and a 28" waterfowling barrel with interchangable chokes.
With that, you're covered for everything from birds to burglars, and bunnies to bears.
The 870 is also only about $300 or so, unless it's in some unusual configuration, where as the Colt has to be at least twice that much.
It will be very versatile with simple and relatively inexpensive barrel changes, it can become a deer getter, home defense piece, and a bird gun/skeet-trap shooter. Since you already have one autoloading pistol, the shotgun is the bigger void, in your collection for sport, and tactically for self-defense.
If I were told I was to be dropped off at some random point in North America, and told I could only have one gun, but unlimited ammo and accessories, it would be the 870, and three barrels. Rifled slug, cylinder bore riot, and a 28" waterfowling barrel with interchangable chokes.
With that, you're covered for everything from birds to burglars, and bunnies to bears.
The 870 is also only about $300 or so, unless it's in some unusual configuration, where as the Colt has to be at least twice that much.
Okay okay okay. I'll get the 870. I mean the Commander. No wait, the 870. All very good suggestions and I thank you. So with another paycheck or so I will be off to get my nice new stainless Commander....right before or directly after I get that 870. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH. It's enough to drive a guy a little batty. :banghead:
KpEng16
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I got an 870 for Christmas. It was a police trade in bought for me at a gun show and then spruced up and modified before it was wrapped and put under the tree. My first shotgun.
einnor1040
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Instead of a Colt, save yourself some $$$ and get a Sistema.
DonNikmare
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"Colt Commander"....it just sounds way too cool
Sad but deciding factor - you live in occupied territory aka: California
Chances are the Commander will be "banned" before the 870.
870's are roughly 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the Commander and likely to stay @ that price, so I'd vote go with the more expensive one first (regardless of what you already have).
Chances are the Commander will be "banned" before the 870.
870's are roughly 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the Commander and likely to stay @ that price, so I'd vote go with the more expensive one first (regardless of what you already have).
45Hoop
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I agree with Hal
Being a member of the Peoples Republic of California myself, get what you can while you can. Commander = More Smiles
Being a member of the Peoples Republic of California myself, get what you can while you can. Commander = More Smiles
einnor1040
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It is a Colt clone made in Argentina on Colt machinery by Colt trained people. They were made in the 20s and 30s. The parts interchange with Colts. They are C&R elegible. Great guns. Great price.
If you get the Colt Commander, may I suggest
... NOT settling for the "Combat Commander" (steel frame), but getting the real Commander --the original lightweight alloy framed Commander? The savings in weight makes it a true concealed carry piece, while the difference in the steel-framed "Combat Commander" is really only noticable in the shorter sight radius. (That would be a Bad Thing, IMHO.)
If you insist on a steel frame, I would strongly suggest the good old Government Model. Just about as carriable, and more shootable because of the longer sight radius.
In most instances, the 870 is going to be less expensive than the Commander.
Also, I strongly suggest (since you asked for input) that you factor in that you will need to purchase a good holster and some extra magazines (and preferably at least one mag carrier), when you get the Commander.
... NOT settling for the "Combat Commander" (steel frame), but getting the real Commander --the original lightweight alloy framed Commander? The savings in weight makes it a true concealed carry piece, while the difference in the steel-framed "Combat Commander" is really only noticable in the shorter sight radius. (That would be a Bad Thing, IMHO.)
If you insist on a steel frame, I would strongly suggest the good old Government Model. Just about as carriable, and more shootable because of the longer sight radius.
In most instances, the 870 is going to be less expensive than the Commander.
Also, I strongly suggest (since you asked for input) that you factor in that you will need to purchase a good holster and some extra magazines (and preferably at least one mag carrier), when you get the Commander.
Yes. The need for a good holster and extra mags & carriers has been a consideration in the matter. The practical side of me is saying "Get the 870. Avoid buying all that new gear on top of a new gun and be able to afford a new holster and some extra mags and ammo for my Beretta, which I already own." Yet the Gun collector in me is saying "Shut UP! Get the Commander and enjoy it for the rest of your life. The extras will follow."
You guys are offering some good advice for the thinking though. AHHH peer pressure. Sometimes it can be usefu.
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You guys are offering some good advice for the thinking though. AHHH peer pressure. Sometimes it can be usefu.
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Johnny Guest
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Good news, bad news - - As always
I went through the search for a proper Commander last year. My old lightweight was getting a little ratty. (Okay - -It looks like the Wreck of the Hesperus) It took me a while to find another without having to pay an arm, a leg and one . . . uh, earlobe.
It may well be that being located in California might work to your advantage this time. During the big copshop turnover to autopistols in the 1970s and '80s, the 1911 type was acceptable in a lot of west coast agencies. Many officers who carried the Govt model on duty wanted to use the same mode off duty, and I understand there were a LOT of CLWs in use yonderly. As styles changed, many administrators thought that a Condition One SA auto was DANGEROUS! (Pray tell, why would you want your cops to carry a sidearm that IS NOT dangerous??) Big turnover, going to DA type autos. Lotsa cops who were required to pack Berettas, S&Ws, etc, wanted to sluff their lighter 1911-types.
Just a thought. Don't know if this will hold true or not.
I think in your place, I'd hold off on the 870 and sock away as much cash as possible, looking for a proper Commander and accessories.
Admittedly, I am one of the great fans of the Commander. In fairness, I must submit this - - If this is your first 1911-type, and if you anticipate shooting it A LOT, you might really do well to consider the full length, full weight, Colt Government Model. It is considerably more pleasant to shoot, if you're going a couple of boxes per weekly trip to the range. It will also, in the long run, hold up better to extensive use.
OTOH, if you're going to shoot a couple of hundred rounds for break-in and familiarization, and then maybe a box a month thereafter, the Commander will last a LONG time.
Another option: A Sistema 1927 .45 is a very good pistol, and can still be had for half the money of a nice Colt. You might want to get one of these, AND an 870 in the near future, and shop for THE CLW. Lotsa gun shops will give a decent trade in for one 1911-type against another, where they'd treat you less gently, taking in another type. Logical? Not really . . . .
Very best of luck to you.
Johnny
I went through the search for a proper Commander last year. My old lightweight was getting a little ratty. (Okay - -It looks like the Wreck of the Hesperus) It took me a while to find another without having to pay an arm, a leg and one . . . uh, earlobe.
It may well be that being located in California might work to your advantage this time. During the big copshop turnover to autopistols in the 1970s and '80s, the 1911 type was acceptable in a lot of west coast agencies. Many officers who carried the Govt model on duty wanted to use the same mode off duty, and I understand there were a LOT of CLWs in use yonderly. As styles changed, many administrators thought that a Condition One SA auto was DANGEROUS! (Pray tell, why would you want your cops to carry a sidearm that IS NOT dangerous??) Big turnover, going to DA type autos. Lotsa cops who were required to pack Berettas, S&Ws, etc, wanted to sluff their lighter 1911-types.
Just a thought. Don't know if this will hold true or not.
I think in your place, I'd hold off on the 870 and sock away as much cash as possible, looking for a proper Commander and accessories.
Admittedly, I am one of the great fans of the Commander. In fairness, I must submit this - - If this is your first 1911-type, and if you anticipate shooting it A LOT, you might really do well to consider the full length, full weight, Colt Government Model. It is considerably more pleasant to shoot, if you're going a couple of boxes per weekly trip to the range. It will also, in the long run, hold up better to extensive use.
OTOH, if you're going to shoot a couple of hundred rounds for break-in and familiarization, and then maybe a box a month thereafter, the Commander will last a LONG time.
Another option: A Sistema 1927 .45 is a very good pistol, and can still be had for half the money of a nice Colt. You might want to get one of these, AND an 870 in the near future, and shop for THE CLW. Lotsa gun shops will give a decent trade in for one 1911-type against another, where they'd treat you less gently, taking in another type. Logical? Not really . . . .
Very best of luck to you.
Johnny
Black Majik
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Amadeus...
noticed ya over on the 1911 forum. Quick question, what would the shotgun be used for? Shooting clays or a HD shotgun to shoot around w/? Like you, I'm also trying to figure out what I want next... a XD-subcompact, a 870 Marine magnum or a PSS .308.
But, a shortbarrelled shotgun, there aren't many places here in socal to shoot them. It isn't really reasonable to take a HD shotgun to the skeet/trap range, and shooting at paper w/ a shotgun gets boring quite quickly. Only way really to shoot it would be to go out in the desert to shoot at water jugs, fruits, veggies etc... So, that ruled out my vote for the shotgun.
Colts, on the other hand, can possibly have more use. Taking a Colt to the range is a great feeling, and hell, its a 1911! At an indoor range a pistol is a lot more fun to shoot than a shotgun. Shotguns, you point down range and most likely will hit your target.
But I know the feeling, Everyone needs a shotgun. But, Everyone also needs a Colt.
In the end though, in your position I see a Colt Commander as having more use. This is of course if your assuming to get a HD shotgun.
If you getting a shotgun for shooting clays however such as a Wingmaster or a long barreled express, definitely go for the shotgun. Shooting clays is a lot more fun than shooting paper! 
I have a Wingmaster 870 you're welcome to try out anytime if you'd like.
Good luck in your decision, hope I didn't confuse your decision anymore
noticed ya over on the 1911 forum. Quick question, what would the shotgun be used for? Shooting clays or a HD shotgun to shoot around w/? Like you, I'm also trying to figure out what I want next... a XD-subcompact, a 870 Marine magnum or a PSS .308.
But, a shortbarrelled shotgun, there aren't many places here in socal to shoot them. It isn't really reasonable to take a HD shotgun to the skeet/trap range, and shooting at paper w/ a shotgun gets boring quite quickly. Only way really to shoot it would be to go out in the desert to shoot at water jugs, fruits, veggies etc... So, that ruled out my vote for the shotgun.
Colts, on the other hand, can possibly have more use. Taking a Colt to the range is a great feeling, and hell, its a 1911! At an indoor range a pistol is a lot more fun to shoot than a shotgun. Shotguns, you point down range and most likely will hit your target.
But I know the feeling, Everyone needs a shotgun. But, Everyone also needs a Colt.
In the end though, in your position I see a Colt Commander as having more use. This is of course if your assuming to get a HD shotgun.
If you getting a shotgun for shooting clays however such as a Wingmaster or a long barreled express, definitely go for the shotgun. Shooting clays is a lot more fun than shooting paper!
I have a Wingmaster 870 you're welcome to try out anytime if you'd like.
Good luck in your decision, hope I didn't confuse your decision anymore
Thanks BlackMajik. The shotgun? What wouldn't it be used for? At first I'd get a short barrel for HD and phone books -- maybe the occasional shotgun or two gun workshop. I know a couple of instructors that hold regular shooting events for the scattergun. Before too long I would like to outfit it with a longer barrel and hit the clay range. And maybe someday -- some distant day in the far future -- I MAY actually try to bag myself water fowl. In addition, there is the pride of owning a solid, American made, shotgun.
I do see your point about the 1911 though. There are many many hadngun events and venues here in SoCal. and to show up with a Colt.
I would love to try out that 870 of yours sometime. I shot a friends Charles Daly once -- not bad. It was semi-auto though. I really like pumps. Something about the physicality of racking that action and letting loose a throat load of shot. Just pure visceral fun.
I do see your point about the 1911 though. There are many many hadngun events and venues here in SoCal. and to show up with a Colt.
I would love to try out that 870 of yours sometime. I shot a friends Charles Daly once -- not bad. It was semi-auto though. I really like pumps. Something about the physicality of racking that action and letting loose a throat load of shot. Just pure visceral fun.
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