primalmu
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Good point. It's a lot easier to slip through the cracks when the school has 3000+ students vs a few hundred that schools usually had before the consolidation craze hit.
It's time. Let's fix this, starting with schools...
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Good point. It's a lot easier to slip through the cracks when the school has 3000+ students vs a few hundred that schools usually had before the consolidation craze hit.
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Meanwhile, in Texas,...
https://www.saddleriverrange.com/training-classes/active-shooter-school-safety-kr-training/
Click on the link for a full read. This is also happening in San Antonio and perhaps other places here. A good time to start a program with teachers willing to be trained...
https://www.saddleriverrange.com/training-classes/active-shooter-school-safety-kr-training/
Click on the link for a full read. This is also happening in San Antonio and perhaps other places here. A good time to start a program with teachers willing to be trained...
saiga308
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i disagree mental hospitals are needed more then ever before for many of the homeless wanders on the streets also, parents are lacking child growing discipliner skills at home and cant handle some that turn into monsters
saiga308
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broken families structure and lack of social connection with our society do too culture elimination by the global government influence/ un/ social web, has screwed up the past program that you grew up in that worked
alsaqr
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Yep, let's just blame school shootings on public schools and "failed government": What a cop out.
1. Many kids today are growing up in a one parent home, usually the mother. Mom is off working and cannot adequately supervise the kids. Some kids are being raised by grand parents or other relatives, others by foster families.
2. For various reasons schools have been saddled with feeding students.
3. Parents and guardians refuse to attend PTA meetings.
4. Parents and guardians vote down school bond issues. This is prevalent here in Oklahoma.
5. The US government often meddles in public schools. Examples: The federal "No Child Left Behind" and "Common Core" mandates.
6. Parents refuse to vote in school board elections.
1. Many kids today are growing up in a one parent home, usually the mother. Mom is off working and cannot adequately supervise the kids. Some kids are being raised by grand parents or other relatives, others by foster families.
2. For various reasons schools have been saddled with feeding students.
3. Parents and guardians refuse to attend PTA meetings.
4. Parents and guardians vote down school bond issues. This is prevalent here in Oklahoma.
5. The US government often meddles in public schools. Examples: The federal "No Child Left Behind" and "Common Core" mandates.
6. Parents refuse to vote in school board elections.
Fine Figure of a Man
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How does voting down a school bond, poorly attended PTA meetings and voter turnout in a board election result in a school shooting?
Big is good couple professional security contractors with submachine guns per school is all that would be needed.
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theotherwaldo
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"God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board."
― Mark Twain, Following the Equator: A Journey Around the World
My experience is that a school board is somewhere between kindergarten for politicians and an undergraduate class in graft, where the valedictorians usually graduate in handcuffs. Half of the former school board members in my area are serving time or just got out.
No, leadership in protecting and promoting students must come from some other source.
― Mark Twain, Following the Equator: A Journey Around the World
My experience is that a school board is somewhere between kindergarten for politicians and an undergraduate class in graft, where the valedictorians usually graduate in handcuffs. Half of the former school board members in my area are serving time or just got out.
No, leadership in protecting and promoting students must come from some other source.
alsaqr
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My point is:
1. Public schools have been saddled with too much extraneous trash. Example: Every school district has folks whose job it is to comply with federal mandates. The feds need to butt out. Congress should zero out funding for compliance with federal mandates to schools.
2. Many parents are not interested in their kids schooling.
3. Parents saddle the school teachers with teaching their kids proper manners.
4. In Lawton, OK school lunch rooms are open during the summer break to feed kids. A parent or guardian who fails to feed their kids is pretty sorry.
danez71
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Why not? They seem to have plenty of money to have them deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Why not hire them to provide security here.
When I was going to high school in NYC some 40 years ago, all entrances/ exit doors were controlled access. It can only be open from inside like the emergency doors. All other schools, junior high & elementary schools were the same.
Back then, the worry was “gang-bangers” come into school property and cause troubles. Today, it seems like a good policy to avoid tragedy like this.
I don’t know how much it cost to implement controlled access doors but surely would seems much cheaper than some of proposals here on how to fix society’s ills altogether.
Back then, the worry was “gang-bangers” come into school property and cause troubles. Today, it seems like a good policy to avoid tragedy like this.
I don’t know how much it cost to implement controlled access doors but surely would seems much cheaper than some of proposals here on how to fix society’s ills altogether.
Already been done.
The door latches are on electronic timers and are only open for entrance in the morning before school. If a student is later they need to use the buzzer and then someone in the office will release the latch electronically. Of course, they are glass doors with no anti-shatter film. As I pointed out t the principal, there isn't a door in that building that I couldn't open with a PU truck (as in, drive through it).
Of course, security wise, I have one of the worst rooms in the building. My classroom opens into a central quad that all of the, main, outside doors, open into, no matter which side of the building you come in from. The only way out of my room is into this open area where as, most of the other classrooms have a window to the outside and are on separate halls with exits to the outside.
To make it worse, I, and the other technology teacher, have several large windows open to the quad. For standardized testing purposes, the rooms are internally angled in such a way that there is no place in the room that cannot be easily viewed from these windows.
Last year I had curtains on those windows, both for security and to aid in classroom management, those windows make it hard for students to stay on task. This year the district decided that the windows cannot be obscured in any way. The new superintendent doesn't like the way it looks with the curtains visible when people come in the school.
Of course I was failing every ALICE drill because my students cold be seen from outside the room; the room was designed so that would be true ( A-L-I-C-E, the acronym for Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, and Evacuate). The decision was made that I would be allowed to put the curtains up on the days we were having the drills; however, I am to remove them immediately after the drill. Anyone with at least a half of a wit can see the problem with this; but at least I am not getting marked down for a failure to respond appropriately during the drills.
I did point out the security problem and was told, "That's not really a concern." Of course, statistically, it's not. The odds of a shooter incident in any particular school hovers near zero. The trouble is that when it goes wrong, it goes terribly wrong.
...we all have been drinking the koolaid. This is not a personal attack. Read it again, in full. I'm attacking the idea that the government should take care of us. Nothing can be more un-American, the proposterous notion that our govt needs to take care of "we the people".
Already been done by every school?
Already been done at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL?
How did the gunman gained access to inside of school?
While your specific situation is interesting, l was referring to the general security issue of easy access inside of a school by someone who has no business being there.
Pretty good discussion. Thank you all so far. Thanks to Hokie's improvement, here is the thread narrative:
School shootings are another example of failed government.
And to continue, we've put govt in charge of educating (and lack of protection for) our children. With a business model, I take my kids out of a non-secure school and put them in a secure school. And so would most parents. And we would all sue the business for negligence, and I guarantee we'd win against a business.
What is the option for the parents in the Florida school? Send their loved ones back into the very same school and hope for the best. In other words, they don't have any other options.
School shootings are another example of failed government.
And to continue, we've put govt in charge of educating (and lack of protection for) our children. With a business model, I take my kids out of a non-secure school and put them in a secure school. And so would most parents. And we would all sue the business for negligence, and I guarantee we'd win against a business.
What is the option for the parents in the Florida school? Send their loved ones back into the very same school and hope for the best. In other words, they don't have any other options.
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