"Ore. teacher wants to take gun to school"

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/pistol_packing_teacher

By JEFF BARNARD, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 59 minutes ago

MEDFORD, Ore. - High school English teacher Shirley Katz insists she needs to take her pistol with her to work because she fears her ex-husband could show up and try to harm her. She's also worried about a Columbine-style attack.

But Katz's district has barred teachers from bringing guns to school, so she is challenging the ban as unlawful, since Oregon is among states that allow people with a permit to carry concealed weapons into public buildings.

"This is primarily about my Second Amendment right and Oregon law and the simple fact that I know it is my right to carry that gun," said Katz, 44, sitting at the kitchen table of her home outside this city of 74,000.

"I have that (concealed weapons) permit. I refuse to let my ex-husband bully me. And I am not going to let the school board bully me, either."

In Oregon, a sheriff can grant a concealed-weapons permit to anyone whose criminal record is clean and who completes a gun-safety course.

Thirty-eight states, along with the District of Columbia, prohibit people from taking guns to school, according to the National Council of State Legislatures. But it's unclear how many offer an exemption for people holding concealed-weapons permits, since the council does not track such exceptions.

Superintendent Phil Long insists employees and students are safer without guns on campus at South Medford High School, where Katz teaches. The district plans to make that argument when the case comes before a judge on Thursday.

Katz's request appears to be rare. School security consultant Ken Trump, president of National School Safety and Security Services in Cleveland, said he has never heard of a similar case while working in 45 states.

Katz won't say whether she has ever taken her 9 mm Glock pistol to school, but she practices with it regularly and has thought about what she would do if she had to confront a gunman. She would be sure students were locked in nearby offices out of the line of fire, and she would be ready with her pistol.

"Our safety plan at our school now is that if somebody threatening comes in, you try to avoid eye contact, and do whatever they say, and that is not acceptable anymore," she said. Shootings at Virginia Tech University and the one-room Amish school in Pennsylvania, "reinforced my belief we have to take action, we can't just acquiesce as we have been taught to do."

Katz never owned a gun until she and her then-husband, commercial photographer Gerry Katz, moved to Oregon from Atlanta eight years ago and bought 20 acres on a gravel road in the foothills of the Cascade Range.

"Being out in the country, we just felt we needed to have a gun here for personal safety," she said.

In 2004, Gerry Katz, who had a concealed weapons permit, was arrested for pulling a .38-caliber revolver after a confrontation that began in a parking lot with two men whose car almost hit his.

According to the police report, he did not point the weapon at anyone. The police seized it, and the charges were later dismissed. Gerry Katz said he never went back for his gun.

Shirley Katz said she bought her own gun in 2004 after Gerry Katz grabbed her by the throat and threatened to kill her — an allegation he denies.

He argues that her desire to take her gun to school is about reopening their divorce to get exclusive custody of their 6-year-old daughter.

"She's just scamming everybody," he said. "As soon as this thing started ... I called the principal at her high school and told her ... I am not coming to your school. I am not a threat to her. I have no desire to hurt her."

Oregon had a school shooting in 1998, when student Kip Kinkel killed his parents at home, then drove to school and opened fire in the cafeteria of Thurston High School in Springfield, killing two and wounding 25 others.

Since then, the Legislature has considered barring people with concealed weapons permits from carrying guns in schools, but the bills have failed, said Dori Brattain, general counsel to the Oregon School Boards Association.

Some South Medford students say they are uncomfortable with the idea of a teacher carrying a gun, especially since they cannot bring even scissors to school.

"I totally understand she wants to protect herself," said Lauren Forderer, 16, a junior. "But I don't agree she should bring her problems around 2,000 other people."

Even if she wins, Katz said, she may not bring the gun to school.

"The whole point of carrying concealed is no one should know you're carrying," she said. "So I feel like my carrying concealed on campus now sets me up as a target."

What do you guys think?
 
She's taking it to court the last I heard, and I hope she wins. Many Oregon schools have "no weapons, no exceptions" type policies but Oregon law does exempt CCW holders and school districts, no matter how ignorant, can't contradict state law and expect to have it enforced.

"Our safety plan at our school now is that if somebody threatening comes in, you try to avoid eye contact, and do whatever they say, and that is not acceptable anymore," she said. Shootings at Virginia Tech University and the one-room Amish school in Pennsylvania, "reinforced my belief we have to take action, we can't just acquiesce as we have been taught to do."
I'm glad someone gets it. You can't "do whatever they say" with a homicidal/suicidal maniac and expect to come out ok.
 
Lemme see -- just in recent memory around here, one guy who was under a restraining order walked up behind his wife at a country fair concert and shot her in the back of the head. Another guy, also under a restraining order, shot (but didn't kill) his soon-to-be-ex wife, then engaged a half dozen cops in a shootout at a city street intersection.

Yeah, if I were the principal and a teacher's ex husband called up and said "I won't try to hurt her," I'd certainly believe him. I mean ... nobody would lie about a little thing like wanting to kill their ex-wife.
 
Let her carry.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that anyone willing to take charge of 20 or so kids all day had better have the mental cool to prepare to defend them if needed. Someone instructing our kids how to make their way in the world had better be a realist. Therefore, all teachers should carry.

She's got an irrational ex, how many kids have irrational parents, parents who have made enemies, how many psychos are loose in America contemplating the next school shooting, etc. If you can't or aren't willing to protect my kids, why should I let you have them for eight hours a day?
 
insanity is doing they same thing over and over again

and expecting different results.
Virginia Tech and other mass shootings have shown that co operation and pleading results in death.
The edu system is insane and would rather the bodies pile up then defend their own lives.
 
This morning Denver's Channel 2, CW2 Colorado KWGN-TV, reported on the Katz Affair and used the term "packing heat" with respect to Ms. Katz' efforts to be allowed to CCW in her school.

I contacted them as follows:

I sure wish you guys hadn't used the term "packing heat" in reference to the Oregon teacher's efforts to carry her defensive firearm in school.

"Packing heat" is a pretty negative term and connotes '20s and '30s gangster violence.

As a group, persons with Concealed Carry Permits are probably the most law-abiding people in the United States.

I would appreciate it if you could advise your script writer to avoid this term.

With thanks,

TAT(at)Domain.org AKA 230RN

I captured their contact URL as follows:

http://cw2.trb.com/news/kwgn-viewer-mail-9pm,0,4896670.story

A brief, polite, note stating that you understand that they used this term (or saw it yourself on their 09 Oct 07 morning newscast) and don't appreciate the use of this rather Runyanesque term on their newscasts might be appropriate.

Can't hurt to be a squeaky wheel now and again.

ETA: If I were smart, which I ain't, but if I were, I'd have suggested an alternative, such as "legally armed" or the like.
 
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I have been following this case pretty closely since it would overturn the dumb campus regulations that say I cant CCW on campus. I have been really disappointed on how immature most news stations have been with the issue. Even FoxNews has made jokes about it and never regarded it as a freedom issue.

Also people seem to get hung up on the crazy ex husband, like that has ANYTHING to do with it. She has a CHL, her CHL is valid, that the end of the story.
 
There is no argument here. She is leagally able to carry concealed at school. End of story. Until they change the law (which I fear will be the result of this).

Mark.
 
kd7nqb noted:

Also people seem to get hung up on the crazy ex husband, like that has ANYTHING to do with it. She has a CHL, her CHL is valid, that the end of the story.

That is soooo valid. Thanks for pointing this out.
 
"But I don't agree she should bring her problems around 2,000 other people."
Hate to say it, but her problems are already 2000 other students. The only way to avoid it is to fire her, which is a very bad option.

Also people seem to get hung up on the crazy ex husband, like that has ANYTHING to do with it. She has a CHL, her CHL is valid, that the end of the story.
While I agree, not much is going to get moved ahead with a reason like that. Like it or not, someone with a much more specific reason that 'I may someday need it' is going to have a much beter chance of getting this changed.
 
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