I've missed out on alot.

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cwmcgu2

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This past Friday and Saturday I went to get my hunter's safety liscense (which is mandatory for hunting in Kentucky with the exception of those past a certain age and were grandfathered in when the law was enacted). Sadly being only one month away from the age of 23 I was the oldest person in the class. With the exception of a few high school students, the rest of the class was young kids with their fathers/uncles/grandfathers. I couln't help but lament the fact that I was robbed of the oppertunity to learn from those in my family the sportsman's tradition.
My father grew up in the country but was not a hunter, with the exception of a few squirrel hunts, with my grandfather when he was dating my mother. My mom hates guns and there have been none in thier home since my dad threw away a worn out .22 revolver that he used to kill rats in the barn when I was very young. Dad sold the farm when I was four and moved into the corporate world and I grew up a city boy. I was always intersted in hunting but my mother would not even consider the option. The television news had her convinced that I would most certainly die and my father having no interest in the sport would not consider it. Even though my grandfather would have taken me squirrel hunting if I'd wanted I was not allowed. Even when my high school Physics teacher offered me a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 due to my interest in firearms and WWII history, that was vetoed again by my parents.
College came around and I found a hobby, drinking. Hard parties and reckless nights consumed 2 years of my life. I couln't admit to myself that I had absolutely no self control when it came to alcohol. Then 2 and a half years ago I met a girl who I can thank for turning that around. My current girlfriend brought me out of that lifestyle and helped me grow up alot. Her father and step-father renewed my interest in hunting and shooting. Without bar-tabs and trips to the liquor store I had the money to start building a gun collection. This fall will be my first hunting seasons. Along with deer and turkery I hope to do some dove shooting.
Shooting has offered a new outlet for relieving stress and worries. Sadly I have come to that hobby late. Sitting alone in that hunters safety class I felt robbed of the opportunity that all the young children in the class were experiencing. I only wish my father had taken given me such an opportunity.
I know not all of the members of this board are hunters, but I think what I'm trying to get across to all of you is this: hunting is a great entry point to all the varied aspects of shooting. Pass the hunting/shooting tradition down to your children. Not only are you helping to secure a future for the 2nd Amendment, but you are giving them an interest/hobby that will distract them from other destructive activities.
I just want to thank every father/mother, grandparent, uncle/aunt who have passed the hunting tradition down to a younger generation. They may not have thanked you or appreciated the gift, but having missed out myself I recognize how incredibly honorable your actions were.

Anyway sorry about the rant I wanted to get that off my chest.
 
Every year my dad would always go deer hunting and I always wanted to go with him but I was too young, then when I was 11 I took my firearm safety classes and by the next november I was 12 and got to go hunting. I had been shooting since I was 6 but experiencing hunting was something I'll never forget. Going hunting with my dad has been some of the best memories I can remember and it's something that I wouldn't trade for anything. I'm not ready to have kids yet but when I do I can't wait to teach them to shoot and to hunt. Sorry you missed out when you were younger man, hope you have a blast this year and good luck.
 
Just because one sires or carries and spits out a kid, does not make them a dad or mom.

Fella that sired me, did not teach me squat!
There are only a few times, he did anything with me with a gun, or fishing reel.
And then it was because he was shamed into doing so, or trying to "look" like something I refuse to call him.
HE did all the shooting the first time, and the other no count also out trying to be "somebody" shot himself in the leg with a .22 trying to impress his kid.

My maternal Grandma now, we started shooting at age 3. I bugged the fire out of folks, Mentor & Elders to have what they had.

Fella that sired me, and I went out one more time after I was bigger. Again shamed into doing so. He had no idea what all I could do with a gun. He had no idea I was competing with a .22 rifle. I felled squirrels left and right. I totally angered him.

One last time I went out with a gun with him, another sib, and it was I that Mentored this sib.
I raised the younger sibs, not the fella that sired them. I took care of them and mom.
Mentors & Elders - well I was accepted early and kept on going.

I fired the fella that sired as soon as I was big enough to know what that meant.

He got word I was in a Skeet Tourney and showed up. Mentors spied him and kept him away. I did not know he was there and they did not want my Mental Game messed up. I was one of the top folks at this event.
"Where in the hell did he (me) learn to do that!!" he asked
"Sure as hell didn't get it from you!"
They had him leave, as they did not want my Mental game messed up for another event and shoot offs later.

I was informed of all this later, and being honest, it was the right thing to do.

I taught sibs how to shoot, sharpen a knife, how to fish. Then years go by and they cut me to the bone. They hurt me bad. So I fired them. I only recognize one person as "family".

I understand how a parent feels when they raise a kid, teach them everything, buy them guns and teach them to shoot and the kid hurts them deep.

Odd, real odd many years ago. Sister-in-Law calls, on behave of her hubby, on of my sibs.
She was sincere, humble, and not like the normal way she was with me.
I taught this sib how to use a Baitcast reel so many years ago. I gave him a ABU Garcia 5000 with a nice rod, and taught him how to throw a level wind / bait cast reel.
He is 30 +years old, married and she caught him looking at his stuff right after they bought a house.
He looked sad, puzzled and out of sorts.
He gets real sentimental about his B-Day and certain objects and memories.

She asked what is wrong and he is about to cry.
"I forgot how to toss a bait cast reel, Steve taught me, but it has been so many years since I used one".
His wife, my SIL , suggest he call some of his buddies.
None of these guys can toss one either.
One did not know what one was.
They all used spinning reels.

Now I have fired this sib, and here his wife, who by default does not like me, is asking me to show him how to use this Baitcast Reel.

He is embarrassed, and sort of brushed off his buddies not knowing with a " yeah old thing, just wondered if you guys had or messed with them.".
He was lying to himself to save face with them.
Inside he was hurt, part I am sure is the fact the fella that sired him, had not been a parent.
I've seen a lot of this.

Now remember all my life I had done the right thing with sibs, even after they pulled what all they did, I did the right thing until I fired them.
I am the eldest of 4, 3 boys, 1 girl.
The baby sib, a boy had a FIL that did hunting and fishing until he passed and this sib went weird on all this stuff.
The girl could not make it.

For two days a "truce" was called and I parented two boys on how to fish, toss a bait cast reel, how to shoot guns, and outdoor stuff.
Strange, really strange.
Same two sibs that think I am "wrong" and the guns I gave them have been put up, they did not get CCW I paid for, nothing.
I mean my niece is attacked by a rabid dog and her dad and mom are trying to get 911 on the phone.
It took an older neighbor with a baseball to get the dog off her.
Angry is not a strong enough word for I how I felt.

Still, I did this Parenting bit.
I made a few calls in private and found a person or two I knew, and knew of the situation and they are also "wrong" if you will to invite the sib duck hunting, and doing hunting stuff.
They did, and then introduced sib to some younger folks, still last I heard this sib actually has gone hunting and fished some.
He is to never know I set this up.

Younger boy sib, well his MIL remarries finally. New StepFIL is a hunter, fishes and I get along with him.
Again, I set up younger sib "sometimes" going out to plink, or fish.
I don't think the shotgun I gave him has been used since I gave it to him and took him hunting when he was I guess in HS. Best recall it was a dove hunt, and was just in awe I felled a 15 bird limit with like 13 shells.
I felled a limit for meat, and then assisted him on lessons and his limit.

My nieces and nephews : well I am still 'wrong'. They have heard the stories about me, and I am not allowed to do stuff with them.
Odd deal for sure.
Only hope is the Step FIL, a grandpa, will get them out.

My role is being "adopted uncle" and this not only to kids, also single ladies, single mom's, elderly, physically limited, and some guys.
I am selective, and have my reasons.
Still this is the role I chose.

One cannot choose family, one can choose friends.


Today is the first day of the rest of your life, if you have one foot on yesterday, and one on tomorrow, you are pissing on today.

Family? Screw 'em.

Find some Mentors and bug the fire out of them to assist you.
Then the way this works is, as you learn, pass forward as passed to you.
Then the ones you pass forward to, pass forward to others...
 
I have found that family can and will change with gentle persistence if they want to be a part of your life. If they do not than nothing will matter.

cwmcgu2- You can not waste another second regretting what you did not get. Just be thankful that you have moved on at last. Also please whatever you do... do not go hunting by yourself find a mentor or a good friend who is knowledgeable and go with them.
 
Before

some get to yelling at me.

When I was born Maternal Grandma put in my dresser draw crib a .22 revolver.
My most prized possession. She and I shot MY gun starting at age 3. She died when I was around 5 or 6. I am the only kid to know a grandparent, she was the only one, and I am the only one to know her, and a grandpa I was too young to remember when he died.

Still that gun, was MY gun, and it was my prized possession, not only because of her, also Mentors & Elders and memories.

Fella that sired me remarried. Stepmom had a daughter by previous marriage.
They together had a son.

I come back to town and by this time I am in AA, I am working the steps and this includes "making amends" and "righting wrongs".
Sponsor said this deal with family was dicey , heck he check with his sponsor, and another old boy with a lot of years of sobriety.

Doing the right thing, again, as I had always done...
Fella wanted to take these kids out plinking.

I show up with MY prized possession and some other guns. Truth is, the revolver fit hands better, and easier to use.
I left it with the Fella that sired me.
That kid, the one he and stepmom had together, got my gun and sold it for dope.

I honest to goodness cried. Hell my sponsor in AA cried.
I, and others did everything we could to find my gun. We called every cop we knew, everyone we knew in the gun business, you name it and not just local, out of town, out of state even.
This little brat, stole my gun for dope.
Fella that sired me, "well , you know how kids are, they do stuff like that, and he is giving me and his mom a headache, and...and...
Its just a dumb old .22"

You do not want to know the thoughts running through my brain when he matter of fact said "its just a dumb old .22".

Step sister and I got along, she got mad, cried and was upset about my gun.
I taught her to shoot, took this gal hunting, and she is a good looker and this caused some smart remarks. and as soon as she got older moved out.

She fired family as well. [Fella that sired me, that brother, and her mom]
She and I stayed in touch. Boyfriends and jobs and like I said, a good looker so guys flocked to her.
Some pretty well known folks for boy freinds and she'd call me to assist in teaching these boyfriends to shoot, or come hunt.
I mean get on a private plane and do a high dollar quail hunt type of boyfriend thing with me along to help them shoot, or be one of the gang.

"Steve, you did the right things, thank you for being there for me, and I was not your real flesh and blood. Thanks for the guns you gave me, I will cherish them and the memories forever. Like you, I did the right things, and I had to fire them (family) too.
Only you will understand, as you have done so, and I too must walk off".

I have no idea where she is, but she and I did the right things, and got hurt for doing them.
I do know she did go dove hunting out of the country.
She sent a picture of her with a huge pile of doves, and the shotgun I gave her which she took along on the hunt.
"Dude! This is awesome! I am so glad we spent the time teaching me to shoot a shotgun! "

She is really is that good looking!
And she is pretty good with a shotgun.
Then again them doves probably took one look and recognized her from a Bikini or lingerie, or some other modeling gig and died of a heart attack and plopped down out the sky without having to fire a shot. *smirk*
 
Two things:

"You can't choose your family..."
and
"Friends and wives come and go, but family is always family..."

Well, maybe three: "Home is that place where... when you have no place left to go, they have to take you in."

I have some older sibs that I have no real fondness for. My Grandad (on my mothers side) was quite the outdoorsman. Made his own fly rods, I have two up on my wall from the 1940's. Made his own bows... and arrows too, fletched with store-bought feathers. He used to go out wandering with an ild Marlin bolt-action .22 and five shells. If he came back with only three squirrels, you coulda bet that he had two (sometimes more) shells left.

He had seven guns, and as was was the coincidence, he had seven grandkids. His will left one gun to each of his grandkids. I was s'posed to get that Marlin boltie. Tween my oldest brother, and one of my sisters, all seven of those guns have wandered off to parts unknown. Nothing personal. Back when she was deep into her classes, her car broke. She had no money, and if she didn't get it fixed, she woulda had to drop out of her school. She was wired the money without even having to ask. Same sister is now a well-respected medical professional. Just the things you do for family.

I used to have a nice Winchester 94, in the traditional .30-30. Left it at another brother's house, along with a Winchester 12 ga semi, so he could borrow them for a particular use. They've also gone the way of the wind. While I have no particular fondness for some of my kin, one thing still remains: family is family, for good or ill, forever. Things are just things.

I strive to do better with those that are coming after me than was done to me. Some of those that have come along after me, we have to count up the silverware and inventory things after they've gone. We've learned to not leave jewelry laying about, and to not have strong drink readily available, until we're alone again. Just one of those concessions you make for family that can't be trusted. When everyone else has turned their backs on you, family will still be family.
 
You're 23?!!!!!!!

Okay, so you have a little catching up to do, but you have the whole rest of your shooting and hunting life ahead of you!

Rejoice! The world is your oyster. :p
 
Head Start

cwmcgu2

I missed shooting/hunting, the works, until I was over 50.

Oh, yeah, I shot a few rounds in the Air Force.

Yeah, I shot a little air rifle as a kid.

No guidance from family. The grandfather who could have done that "died rather abrubtly" when I was 13.

It's true you're a little late to the party.

You have a 30 year head start on me.

Use that extra 30 years wisely.
 
Don't feel bad. I didn't start shooting/collecting in earnest until last year. I'm 27 now. I can't hunt, and can barely fish, but I'm learning.
 
cwmcgu2, you haven't missed out yet. You can still have a chance to experience from the Dad side of things.

--RuffRidr
 
My Dad took me golfing - so I could caddy for him.

I was beaten quite a bit too. Unhappy parents taking it out on the kids.

Things were different back then, it was more acceptable for parents to be into themselves in the 60's. Anything I wanted to do was basically forbidden. Fishing, bike riding, guns - Faggettaboutit! I even took jobs (paper routes and such) so I could buy a watch. My Mom saw a watch on my arm, she threw it away.

They divorced when I was 13, but that was after YEARS of turmoil and torture. I lived with my Dad since I look like my Dad, my Mom couldn't stand me - true! She still treats me poorly.

I'm a conservative, both my parents were liberals. My Mom is still with us, but she isn't a whole lot friendlier to me today. She likes my wife and daughter, but me, not so much - I still look like my Dad. Pathetic.

I broke the cycle and treated my daughter to a balanced life of work, reward and motivation seasoned with love and respect. She's a great kid.

Unfortunately, my daughter doesn't like fishing or hunting, but she's a girl, so what can I say? :) Her boyfriend OTOH does like fishing and shooting, so we reload together, I taught him to cast also and I've had him out for Salmon, rock fish and tuna.

Seems I'm doubling up on all the things my parents denied me, but that's to be expected. The end result is a nice watch, fishing, bicycle and firearms collection...and a boat. :) All this pales to the fact that I raised a happy human being. I did my job, regardless the odds.
 
I'm 31 and have never met/spoken to my father. Went fishing once with my Grandfather.

Love hunting and fishing and definitely guns now. Maybe it all works out in the end. But I continue to get mad at God from time to time.
 
Highroaders,
Thank you. I needed to get that off my chest and yall took the time to listen to my reflections and shared your own personal reflections and moral support. Its great to have a place like this to share personal stories with likeminded peers. I feel better already.
Thanks!
 
I missed out on it too with my dad (he was a great dad, just not into guns or sports), but I am making up for it with a vengance. I bought my first gun 3 years ago, and bought my son one a month later. He was 6 at the time:) He now has 3 guns of his own and we love to shoot together. I can't wait to take him hunting too. We can learn together. Hunter Education class is high on my list for him, so I can be there too and not feel out of place.
 
cw- from my perspective, you're a little ahead of the curve. I work with younger folks at my church for years now, and most young men have their heads up their butts until 25 or 26. Be glad you didn't waste more time than you did, and make every day count.
My dad and my stepdad are both idiots and still don't want anything to do with me (guilt for being a failure as a dad is my guess). All I know is that my sons, and the young men at my church that I help out get what I never got and that helps me out a lot. Since my uncle (sam) taught me how to shoot, I take out new shooters as my way to 'pay it forward'.
I guess the moral of the story is this:
It's never too late.
It is better to give than to receive-help other people. You end up getting a whole lot more knowing you gave somebody something that they will treasure than by just doing for yourself.
But what do I know...
 
Nothing wrong with it. I know my dad, but him being a convicted felon, and only being there for roughly 1/5th of my life(on and off), we really didn't/don't do much father-son bonding period(and never shooting). I love him, but boy is he stupid (sometimes). As for home life, my mom remarried when I was 5 to what seemed at the time to be a decent guy, took 2 years for me to figure out he was a total jerk. Never hit anybody... he just felt like it was his duty to squash any shred of confidence I could muster. Took my brother an I fishing a couple times, but never shooting. My only exposure to guns was at my cousin's house and my grandparent's house, and that wasn't much, mostly shooting cans with .22s, and one demonstration of how much it sucks to fire a 12ga w/o ears :D.
 
Gladly I have come to that hobby of late.
Changed that for ya cwmcgu2. :D

I hear ya and [Bill Clinton voice here] I feel yer pain. [Clinton voice off]

Never too late to introduce a nephew or niece, little brother, young cousin or heck even a neighbor kid to the joys of squirrel hunting in the autumn woods. Bunny busting, Doves (seasons coming up) w/ a 20 ga... ahhh perfect (gotta try a 28 bore someday).

I was lucky enough to do all that with my Dad and Uncles and let me tell you, those are some awesome memories.

Except for duck & goose huntin'. Cold. Smelly, wet labrador shaking off his wet. 10 year old Baba. BIIIG honkin 12 ga (Auto 5) shotgun. Missouri gumbo (mud) up to your knees to schmuck thru on the way back to the truck. To this day I prefer upland over lowland hunting.

Deer hunting down in the Ozarks... (big sigh w/ smile on face)

Never too late to begin cw... Get on it. Life's too short to regret lost moments. Get out in the woods or pastures. Bring a young friend. Heck, bring an old timer too. You can create your own memories and I guarantee you, they'll last a couple/three lifetimes.
 
Better late than never.

At least your old enough now to buy what you want whenever you want and don't have to rely on family members to take you shooting. (the whole 1 time every 3 months you actually get to go). I had to deal with that crap for a long time and am very happy its over with.
 
About the only thing I learned from my Dad was how drink myself stupid and get in lots of trouble. But on my own or with help from others I've learned whatever I wanted to like shooting, fishing and knifemaking. Don't spend time thinking about what you haven't done - just start doing it! :)
 
cwmcgu2, my Dad wasn't a hunter/shooter, and my cousins who were lived too far away to teach me. I shot some competitively in college (alma mater no longer has a rifle team), and then my FIL introduced me to hunting. I was significantly older than you are now. I, too, regret that I didn't have family to get me into sport shooting at an earlier age, but you have lots of time to make up for it.

And let me encourage you to think about helping other kids get out. One of the most fulfilling things I did was become a hunter safety instructor. It was a great way to help those kids you were in class with learn the ropes of safe firearms handling. Believe me, helping other kids get into the sport is a lot more fun than bemoaning the fact that we didn't get an early start ourselves.
 
All of us miss out on some things in life. That's just the way it is.

But there are those who have made it possible for us to share in some of the things we have missed in our own lives, outdoor writers who have the ability to describe their own experiences in such a way as to make them almost our own. Corey Ford comes to mind, Nash Buckingham, Havilah Babcock from the old days, Peter Capstick and others too numerous to mention.

But if you want to lay claim to the childhood you never had, there is only one place to start. The author is Robert Ruark, and the book is The Old Man And The Boy. It's still in print, it isn't expensive. And it is simply wonderful. Everyone who ever sets foot in the outdoors with a kid needs to have read this book, even if you didn't have an "old man" of your own to show you the ropes.

Try it. You'll like it. And it might just open a door to an entire world of sporting books that will take you to places you can otherwise never go- sometimes if only because they aren't there any more.

You can only be deprived of the things you won't reach out for...

lpl/nc
 
You may have missed out on a lot in the past, but that is no reason to mess up the rest of your life. You can't change the past, enjoy the future. You are taking the class and plan on enjoying hunting, guns etc. in the future, good for you. On their death bed, no one says gee I wish I had spent more time at work. Spend time with friends and family. Create those wonderful memories.

The best times I ever had was hunting with my father. Not in money, but rich I will always be, I had a father that spent time with me.

Best,
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