I've never shot a Glock w/ a trigger job, pls tell me...

[smoketheresfire]

No, the BHP's trigger isn't in the same league as the 1911's

 

[greyling22]

BHP's can be. with some work. step 1, ditch the mag safety. stock from the factory they suck though.

UGGH,they have modernized the 1911. double stack, polymer, etc. http://www.stiguns.com/guns/USPSA-DS/USPSA-DS.php for example.

I've done the springs and connerctors on my glock. it's lighter, but mushy and long. I've been eyeballing the zevtec/glockworx triggers, but they're too spendy for me to buy without trying one. keep an eye on glocktalk's used stuff area. they show up there time to time.

 

[wombat13]

You should check out xdtalk if you want info on XDs. I haven't had mine worked on, but many folks are very happy with both Powder River and Springer Precision. Both offer drop in trigger kits or full trigger jobs if you send the gun in.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/

Since both Powder River and Springer do both XDs and Glocks, why don't you give them a call and ask how a modified Glock compares to a modified XD or XDM?

 

[pikid89]

the best polymer trigger from the factory imo is the S&W M&P...its got a really nice break at the end

 

[Fat Boy]

I rented and shot a Glock 17 (4th generation) today- I really, really liked this gun. The trigger worked very well by pulling straight through- I was surprised by how easy this gun was to shoot with good (for me) accuracy-

 

[wombat13]

the best polymer trigger from the factory imo is the S&W M&P...its got a really nice break at the end

My BIL has a M&P 9mm and the trigger was much better than the stock trigger on my XD.

 

[greyling22]

the M&P? are you kidding me? the one I handled had the worst trigger I have seen since the walther p99. maybe I just handled a bad one. do they all have the 3 mile long heavy gritty pull?

one of the better polymer triggers I've seen was on the sti gp6.

as a reference point, my idea of a good trigger is a tuned single action revolver. no takeup creep or excessive weight. not so good in duty or carry gun, but I shoot at the range.

 

[SpookyPistolero]

the M&P? are you kidding me? the one I handled had the worst trigger I have seen since the walther p99. maybe I just handled a bad one. do they all have the 3 mile long heavy gritty pull?

I researched the MP9 a bit, thinking of picking one up. One other forum seems to love the things, but they admit they have numerous problems. One seems to be a poor OTB trigger pull. They are traditionally inconsistent, mushy, and have a very weak reset. APEX internals can fix this, most that really use their M&Ps hard seem to go that route.

I handled one at my shop and found the trigger to be pretty fair for a striker-fired pistol, though. About on par with my XD. I'd still consider the changes by APEX though.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

IMHO....defensive pistols should be left stock

Why is that? I've never understood this or why it is that people feel this way. Is this just simply what you have heard or been told or do you have real world experience as it relates to stock vs modified in a defensive role?

 

[ny32182]

The pistols are designed for carry, and the stock controls, trigger weights, spring weights, etc, are optimized for that from the factory.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

They are "optimized" for carry from the factory? How so? I've never heard of this.... who decided what was an acceptable weight? Why are some manufacturers pull weight different then? Glock is roughly 5.5# and HK LEM V2 is roughly 7.5 - 8#, the V1 of the same pistol roughly 5.5#? Could it be that the old "a 3 or 4# trigger is waaaay too light for CCW" is just another one of those unfounded internet myths much like 9mm is ineffective as a man stopper, and only Glocks kaboom.

 

[ny32182]

How so? By making the controls (all of them) tight enough that they require a deliberate motion to operate, even under stress/adrenaline dump of a defensive situation. Examples:

-Huge-button loose mag catch is great for competition. It can be easily manipulated at high speed, reliably, since it is easy to press. In a carry gun, it is more important that the all important first mag stays in place, and is not released accidentally as a result of either an imperfect grip on the pistol, or bumping around in the holster where it is located all day. You want a lower profile, harder to press button in a carry gun than you do a race gun.

-Trigger weight: light triggers are great for speed in the right hands. Not so much in a carry gun; the trigger should be heavy enough that placing your finger on it in a high stress situation should not be enough to fire the weapon. Most mfg seem to think this is about 6+ lb; and I tend to agree. Each shot in a defensive shooting should be deliberate and accounted for. I've seen several times in competition, people's tuned super light triggers AD'd... safely down range, but a round going down range when you don't intend for it to do so doesn't hurt anyone in a match, but it can and does in the real world... there is video out there on youtube to prove it. If a trigger is light enough to accidently press in competition, it is way to light for carry in my opinion, when you will be in a much higher adrenaline dump situation if you ever have to use it, and be subject to the resultant reduced control of fine motor skills.

Recoil spring: Often lightened for competition. You don't want to carry powderpuff loads.

Slide catch: Lots of people put a bigger one on to make it easier to manipulate in competition. Lots of people also ride them, which keeps them from operating correctly. It is another case of optimzed for speed vs optimized for reliability.

Speed (competition) vs. reliability (carry) is the general theme.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

the trigger should be heavy enough that placing your finger on it in a high stress situation

One of the first rules of firearm safety is to never place your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to destroy whatever is in front of your weapon so the whole pull weight in a stressful situation is null and void. Alot of people carry 1911's and by design, most have a lower pull weight than a polymer counterpart, why is this? A lower pull weight allows for greater accuracy by not bearing so much strain on the trigger finger. When there is more weight, there is more push and pull involved allowing for a greater deviation in the muzzle. I don't know about you but I like to hit what I'm aiming at and a lighter trigger allows for greater control in that arena.

 

[ny32182]

I don't have a problem hitting what I'm aiming at with a 6lb trigger.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

Is there any documented evidence that you can provide showing where an extended slipe stop or extended magazine release was the direct result of a failure in a defensive situation? Neither can anyone else..... so where do these stories come from? Why do people blindly follow them? Please understand, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm simply and honestly trying to understand where all these "rules" came from and what proof is there that supports the claims. I have a Glock 19 with an extended slide stop lever and a 3.5# connector with a 6lb spring and have NEVER had any sort of failure, malf, or light primer strike nor has anyone else I know of, and i come from a law enforcement background.

 

[ny32182]

It is common sense to me after firing a number of pistols. I work out what I want in different pistols. If you've got a different mindset, no one is telling you you can't carry a competition gun.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

That's just it though, it's not a competition gun, it's my personal defense weapon that I have set up to where I feel confident and comfortable. I am honestly just trying to find out where some of this internet stuff is made up at and where the proof is to support it, such as lighter triggers on carry guns..... if a person keeps their finger off the trigger until they are ready to fire than it wouldn't matter if it were a 1lb trigger.

 

[ny32182]

It my case it just comes from my shooting experiences. I realize everyone's will be different.

People "prep" triggers when their sights are near the target, or transitioning targets; it is a fact of life in competition and everywhere else.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

That's a shame then and instead of blaming the lighter trigger pull or the components therein, perhaps people should focus more of their energy in practicing the basics of firearm safety, like not placing your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire.

 

[smoketheresfire]

Glocked, I will agree with you that there is definitely a place for mods, even to a carry gun. My G34 is my HD gun, and it has all the extended controls and a Ghost 3.5. Some of the same things that make it good for competition, are the same things you want in a defensive situation imo. Some however, aren't. The extended slide stop IS easy to ride and has worried me for some time though has yet to cause me a failure. When firing multiple rounds I have noticed my thumb climbing up dangerously close the slide stop. This COULD definitely cause a failure. Doesn't stop me using the gun as I've got a lot of trigger time with it already.

 

[ny32182]

Moving your finger to the trigger takes time. For me personally, once I've decided that firing a round is or could be imminent, and my sights are in the general direction of the taget (up as compared to a "low ready position), I place my finger on the side of the trigger. Most people do. It is then faster to finish cupping the trigger with the pad of my finger, and pulling, when the instant to shoot is there, than it is to move finger from completely outside the trigger guard to the trigger after your sights are where you want on the target. In the case of a moving target this could easily be the difference between a hit and a miss. I also don't remove my finger from the trigger when transitioning in a stationary position. I remove it when moving from one position to another, assuming the move does not require shooting at the same time.

Master class shooters tell me they go even beyond preping, to start their trigger press during a stationary transition. I don't currently do this, but it is a common practice from what I can tell.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

But this is all in competition yes? You would agree that for everyday people who use their weapon in a CCW role should not utilize this practice? Competition may be just completely different in style and technique but in all my training in law enforcement "prepping" the trigger was frowned upon and placing your finger inside the trigger guard before deciding to shoot was not condoned, it's alot easier for something to go wrong, regardless of trigger weight, with a finger in the trigger guard.

 

[ny32182]

In a perfectly ideal world, sure, but in practice, in the event that someone is in your sights, is your finger going to be on the trigger? I would argue the answer is yes for a lot of people.

 

[Glocked-N-Loaded]

I would agree with you that yes, a whole lot of people probably do ride the trigger, but that is simply from lack of training and practice. It's a shame really, someone could easily get themselves in a world of trouble by not being justified in shooting from riding the trigger in a high stress enviroment.

 

[Deanimator]

I have shot Glock 19's with the 3.5 lb connector and .25 cent polish job. As said above it was a very sweet trigger but it was not like a nice 1911.

I've got the same setup, plus a similar Glock 22.

It's an excellent trigger on both guns, but NOT an M1911, nor is it meant to be.

When I want an M1911 trigger, I carry an M1911.