IWB, tuckable vs OWB

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I keep saying this

but what the heck.

I'm 5'9"/175lb with a bit of a spare tire, but not all that much.
I carry either a G22 or a Para Tac Four, and don't own a compact gun.
The only holster I use anymore is a Texas Heritage from Tucker Gunleather. It's an IWB tuckable. In the cool months I don't tuck, and in the warm ones I do. If I place the gun at my 8:00 or so there isn't much of a bulge, though you can see it if you already know it's there. When tucked, the gun just about disappears except of course for the clips.

I wear the gun all the time. Office/hospital work. Church. Off duty, fishing, hunting, yard work, wood chopping, all of it. Some of it in pretty sweaty conditions, and I mean wringing my shirt out before putting it in the dirty laundry. I have had no problems, and no discomfort. Good IWBs have a sweat guard or chafe guard, a tongue of leather extending up on the shik side to cover the hammer and end of the slide.

No one thinks there's a gun there because no one expects me to be carrying. They see what they expect. My LEO brother in law spotted it right away, but that's his job.

The only gun worth having is the one you'll have on when trouble calls. The only holster worth having is the one which will encourage you to carry. For me a tuckable IWB does the job whatever season or setting, and I don't have to keep changing holsters all the time. Maybe if I had a different job or lived in a different area/climate, I'd wear something else. But my holsters work fine for my purposes.

I might add that comfort chamges with time and wear. A new hoslter is stiff as a board but as it breaks in and conforms to your body that problem goes away. I have to be careful not to forget I'm carrying sometimes.
 
What do you care what the guy next to you is wearing?
Haha .... tell ya what Pax .... if he ain't showing his ''wares'' .. I am none the wiser anyways and yeah .. despite all the apparent emotion and sometimes defensive posturing LOL .... it is indeed, what works for the individual.:)
P95:You carry the SP101 right??
Correct Tony .... the P95 is not carried much now (should I change to SP-101Carry!:p ) .... we share it seems the hyperidrosis problem - I sweat just thinkin about moving - and yet sounds like I am a lighter guy than you .. around 6'00" and 200 or so. Haven't tried between belt and pants ... just might try it but - have to say either my old Jim Burke or my new lookalike (nicely made by K&D holsters) does, even outside of belt hold the piece nice and snug. I have the comforting contact pressure (mild) of the base of grips just nudging my 12th rib .. that's as snug as I need.

I posted pics on the other thread on rigs but put them here too . the first is the Jim Burke and gun, but not in place .. then the new K&D being worn . awkward shot to take! Still stiff that one - breaking it in right now.


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Dig Me,

So, what you are saying is that because I am "in the business" that I no longer have a right to express my opinion?

Perhaps I have misunderstood something here. It was my understanding that one of the more valuable aspects of the forum arena is that newbies can benefit directly from other's technical knowledge. You see, most new shooters buy about a dozen holsters before finding something appropriate to their needs. I thought that perhaps I could save this guy a grand or so of learning things the hard way.

Maybe it's just me, but I like to corrospond with other guys on the forums that offer particular goods and services. It has saved me thousands of "trial and error" dollars.

Just so we are clear here, I always have a backlog of AT LEAST two months, often more like three to four. I don't need to spend my shop time beating on a keyboard when I could be making holsters. This is something that knife makers, gunsmiths, and yes, holstermakers do as a means of giving something back to their industry. If I were conducting a marketing campaign, this is about the single least cost effective method that I can think of - particularily when I tell a guy that he can try out a holster and get a full refund if he does not like it. Used holsters cannot be sold - they are either given away or tossed into the dumpster.
 
Mr. Brommeland,

I took a look at your website - your products look good.

Could you please explain why some IWBs, especially the Summer-special styles are rough-out, and some are smooth-out? For us sweatballs does it make any difference in protection of the gun? Are there pros and cons to the various styles? What would be a good "beginner' IWB?
 
I think I can answer that

Rough-out sticks to clothing more and won't slide around as much. Lots of IWBs are rough-out on the body side and smooth-out on the trousers side so the trousers can slide over the holster as you change positions while the holster stays in place relative to your body. My Tucker Gunleather holsters are both made that way.
 
So, what you are saying is that because I am "in the business" that I no longer have a right to express my opinion?

Nope. Not saying that at all.

I'm just saying that if you come into a thread and dog something and then in that same thread (or in that same post in your case) you then push YOUR product then your opinion has just lost any objective legitimacy.

If you were considering buying a Toyota and a Ford salesman said to you "Toyotas suck, come buy this Ford from me" would you think that he was being objective in that statement? Of course not. You're a potential customer and you'd be naive to assume that he's being objective. Maybe he DOES believe that "Toyotas suck and Fords rule" but that is his opinion and as a Ford salesman it's bound to be at least somewhat biased.

I never said you weren't successful. I'm quite sure from everything that I've heard that your product is excellent. But if you can't see how your original post is basically a conflict of interest then you are not looking at it objectively. You even included your return policy in your post. It's a freaking ad! How can you not see that?

brad cook
 
Dig Me,

I did not "dog" anyone's product. I made a negative comment about a design CONCEPT.

When I come on here and take a shot at another maker, then go ahead and jump my case. If I cannot disagree with a CONCEPT and offer an alternative, then there is no hope of an intelligent debate/discussion.

In closing, I did not include my "return policy". In this business, sales are usually considered final because even a slightly used holster cannot be resold as new. I made an offer to a single individual in an effort to give him an option and try to help him out with his equipment choice.
For the record, I have no set return policy - it is done on a case by case basis. My only customer service policy is that I do my very best to never have an unsatisfied customer.
 
Sendec,

Thank you for your kind remarks. In answer to your question, Khornet pretty much nailed it.

All I can add is that there is a disadvantage to a rough-out construction - some folks find them to be somewhat abrasive on their skin and therefore a bit less comfortable. Other folks like 'em just fine

Rough-outs do, however, tend to sweat thru a bit more readily, IMHO. Thanks!
 
About Gary Brommeland..

I have never seen a guy who has been more helpful on this forum and other to guys with questions about holsters..

He also will advise a guy of his competitor's holsters if he doesn't have or make what somebody wants..

He, Lou Alessi, Tony Kanaly, Matt DelFatti and many others contribute a great deal of time assisting guys on these forum and have even taken new holster makers under their wing and got them going..

I don't think the slams fired at Gary are warranted or deserved...



OK, rant off, and back under my rock!!
 
Brad, you mis-read Gary's intentions. He certainly does not need to advertise on this board as he has all the work he can handle - he was trying to help Chris by pointing out why he doesn't like the tuckable concept.

I will advertise for him as he makes holsters as good as any other maker, and I have been very happy with his "rig".
 
I have a High Noon Tuckable IWB for my SP101. But, I'll admit, I haven't used it much yet, so I can't comment too much on how it actually functions. One of these days I'll get around to getting my CCW here in MO, and then I'll start using it. But, the reason I bought that holster is because I always tuck in my shirts. Even in the summer when it's 100 degrees out, and I'm wearing shorts and a tshirt...I tuck in my shirt. And at that point, it's way to hot for a cover garment...

That said, I still plan on getting a nice OWB holster for the SP as well, for winter and range carry. I'm a skinny guy, and my pants are always baggy, so I have the advantage of being able to hide a gun pretty well, in or out of the pants. Even pretty big guns. But again....I haven't worn a gun out in public much yet.

So...you can pretty much ignore this post. Heh. :D
 
I forgot to mention

that I too always tuck in my shirts. My IWB, with a full-size auto, still conceals well even under a t-shirt.
 
Get ready for flames! I have Mexican carried (no holster, in the wasteband) for the past four years. I find this to be the most comfortable type of carry I know. I have a Glock 27 and that little guy has never come out of my wasteband. I used to buy proper fitting pants, now I use a belt to secure my piece to my side. What I like about IWB is that the barrel of my G27 might be below my shirt line, but since it is IWB, you would never know. I solve the sweat problem by always wearing an undershirt. My closer friends know that if I have on an undershirt and my shirt is untucked, I am packing.

This is by no means the safest means of carry and not all people think it is wise. I have not experienced any problems with it. Extreme care is needed to make sure your finger is always off the trigger. However, most of the day I forget I am packing. And when I am not packing, I miss the press on my kidney! I wonder if I am going to have kidney failure in older age? :D
 
About Gary Brommeland...

Not my intention to hi-jack the thread but I need to say this...

I can vouch for Gary. I appreciate his posts and his willingness to provide his open and honest evaluation of holster concepts and such. His statements of fact (according to his experience) should NOT be misunderstood to be any type of outright marketing blurb or promotion of his own business. He's got plenty of business, I'm sure.

Having said all of that....I've been a satisfied customer of Gary's for some time now. His products are well-known for their quality. In my RangeMaster Tactical Pistol class last week, my instructor, Tom Givens, noticed my IWB Brommeland MaxCon III (Glock 19) and asked me about it. When I told him who made it that's all he needed to hear. His words were, "that holster should last you a lifetime if you take care of it" [paraphrase].

For IWB, I love it! Its very comfortable and rides nicely without moving around in the waistband.

BTW, Gary, I finally have the cash ready for that MaxCon V holster order we discussed a couple of months ago. The check is *almost* in the mail. :)

Greg Gunter
 
Kamicosmos...
...I'm a skinny guy, and my pants are always baggy....
You touched on this, and I hope this isn't too basic for us, but for me, one of the keys to comfortable IWB carry is to buy your pants one size larger than you otherwise might. I'm not a skinny guy. I'm not huge either, but do have to admit to a bit of roll over the waistband. The idea of shoving a lump of metal/plastic into my waistband, and doing it comfortably, means I've got to submit to buying those pants a bit large.

I use a SO2 from Predator, but only rarely tuck it in.
 
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