Jack Rabbits? Worth the shot?

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Got alot of jack rabbits out here and was wondering if they are worth shooting.

I enjoy cottontails on the grill but dont know much about the other rabbits.

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Jack rabbits are not the best fare. They can be used for stews and chilies and such....

Great target prcatice though...
 
I have tried them, didn't care too much for 'em either. I have always donated them to the families of friends (Vietnamese) and they wanted more ! The dishes they made from the meat were pretty good, but nothing I could duplicate in my humble kitchen. Damn things (Jacks) do mess up alot of farm turf if allowed to go unchecked.
 
Jackrabbit populations follow a sine curve: Some years a whole bunch, followed by a collapse to very few.

I've always regarded them as good only for target practice.

Back in the early 1950s, Texas A&M released a study which alleged that seven jackrabbits eat as much grass as a cow. Dunno as I truly believe that, but it led to a lot of night-hunting during those drouth years. My father used his Swift, and my uncle used the forerunner to the .22-250, the Varminter. I had an old 1917 Enfield; 110-grain bullets in the '06.

Then "varmint calling" began, and we expanded our interest to coyotes and foxes as well as Pore Ol' Jack.

:), Art
 
Shoot the Jacks and leave them there. Not fit to eat. But they are a nuisance that needs to be eradicated.

It is true there is a population curve; I've heard it is tied to the coyote population....Coyotes go up: Rabbits go down and Vice Versa.

All I know for sure is that there are very few Jacks here now and there were thousands 20 years ago.

Smoke
 
Smoke, from what I've read, sometimes the jackrabbit population just plain explodes. This is followed by a big upward jump in the coyote population. Then, disease and coyotes and over-:grazing" causes a drop in the jackrabbit population, followed by a drop in the coyote population. (Over-simplified, of course.)

Back in 1980 or so, there was an explosion of jacks in northern Nevada, SE Oregon and SW Idaho. The farmers in Idaho got together and built long vee-shaped fences with chicken wire. They'd gather a 100 people or so and drive the rabbits into the vee, killing them with clubs.

Same deal in the Texas Panhandle, back in the WW I era.

During the Nevada explosion, a buddy of mine and I shot about 120 jacks in under an hour, never leaving one spot. (SW of Winnemucca) We went back a week later, and it seemed as though we'd not been there before. Still what appeared to be an unlimited number of jacks.

(We both used Mini-14s and had no trouble hitting, which is why I argue with the Mini's naysayers.)

Art
 
Back in my high school years (Early 80's) and even earlier; it was nothing to go out and shoot a hundred Jacks in one night. Spot light them, drive like maniacs, shoot them with .22's.

Coyotes were seen but not often.

Now you have to look long and hard to find a Jack; but not a Coyote, they're thick as the Jacks used to be. (we'll almost)

Jacks are starting to come back, I saw 3 in one place a few weeks back. Brought back old memories.

Your thoughts may be right on though. We did go through a bunch of dry years in the time frame that the Jacks started thinning out. We seem to be getting a little wetter this year, we'll what that does to the population in the future.

Smoke
 
When I was a pre-teenager, Grandpa and I shot 'em specifically for using rear legs for trot line bait in Wa????a river. Meat stayed on hooks better than just about anything. And attracted lotsa catfish - if the turtles and gar did not find it first.

Before we were old enough to drive ourselves, Youth Minister at church in TX Panhandle used to take us out with shotguns to slay 'em by the dozen from bed of pickup truck. Sometimes left 'em lay. Sometimes loaded up to feed to hogs.
 
:confused: Art's Grandma's software jackin' with the spelling of my Grandpa's river ;) :confused: wash-e-taw ... as in sometimes flowin' good with lotsa western O-klee-ho-maw red dirt in it ... thru Jack Rabbit county. Used to be anyway.
 
Some time in the 60's I read a survival manual that said a man eating nothing but jack rabbits would starve to death as it takes more calories to prepare and eat them than you take in when you digest them. I can believe that because the durned things are stringy, tough and have nearly zero fat on them.

You'd do better by killing armadillo AKA Texas lobsters. :p
 
Yeah, it's the zero-fat thing. Ya gotta eat the innards.

Ever read Farley Mowat's "Never Cry Wolf"? He was doing a wolf survey in Canada, back just before the start of WW II. He came to realize that the wolf family he was watching was living on field mice. He tried it, doing a mouse-stew thing. After a few days he realized that he was feeling the effects of a totally fat-free diet. Thereafter, he said, he added most of the innards to his stew and the symptoms went away.

:), Art
 
That's a point, Art.

All these "anti-cholestrol", "low-fat"...etc can hurt you if you don't get the correct ratios of fats-protein-etc.
 
Thats what I thought.

We have been picking them off with a .22 and my buddy has been buring them in his garden compost pile.
 
Get over the myths...

I don't know about the 1950s study, but current information on the web suggests that the number of jacks to cattle is 15 for comparable eating amounts. With that in mind, however, jacks eat a lot of stuff the cattle can't or should not eat.

And no, you won't starve to death eating jackrabbits because of the zero fat thing, not unless you are a moron. There is a readily supply of fat-rich marrow, plus the brain. More than likely if you have problems, they problems would be similar to if you ate only one type of animal, be it jackrabbits, deer, or whatever. It would turn out to be an incomplete diet that would be missing critical vitamins and minerals. That would be where the problem comes in.

Smoke, you seen to have a less than adequate understanding of ecology.

MeekNMild, armadillos are not a good thing to eat as they are potential carriers of leprosy. If you take a close look at the history, you will find that there are no accounts of armadillos being consumed by early settlers in the US. They did not make it into the US until the late 1800s or early 1900s (depending on various sources).
 
armadillos are not a good thing to eat as they are potential carriers of leprosy.
Well, you have to not get their raw bodily fluids into open cuts, that's pretty obvious. But as for eating them, yes, they are edible, but greasy and sort of nasty tasting unless you have something to season them, even wild garlic makes them go down better.

The only time I ever had the inclination to eat one was in a military survival camp. We had one which we roasted (complete cooking is the thing which kills the Hanson's disease bacteria) and let me tell you, armadillo is better than grasshoppers and worms. Well, maybe better than worms, about equal to grasshoppers if you pull the legs and wings off of the insect first so they won't gag you. :what:
 
Art was dead on with his statements about predator-prey numbers booming and busting in a synchronous (but offset) manner.

The classic ecological wisdom is that prey numbers increase until something stops the increase, like disease, a lack of resources (they eat themselves out of house and home) or a boom in the number of predators, and then prey numbers crash. Because there's lots of food about (high prey numbers) predator numbers increase until something stops them (like they eat themselves out of house and home) and then predator numbers crash. This leaves the prey with relatively fewer predators picking on them so prey numbers start to increase again .... ad infinitum

Of course this is all complicated by relatively successful or poor reproductive seasons, changes in habitat (increase/decrease), harvesting pressure, success or otherwise of food sources, etc.

Ecological data is notoriously messy and unclear ..... which is why us ecologists always make statements like "this is possibly due to", "these results suggest that", "this is probably the result of", "this is most likely to cause", etc.

Just as an aside, man is generally regarded as the ultimate predator. Human population numbers are increasing ..... and will probably continue to do so until we have a disease epidemic (mostly controlled by medical science), run out of resources, or a higher predator starts a prey population management program (a huge boom in man-eating dangerous game numbers worldwide ... or an alien invasion ..... neither is very likely). Looks like unless we, as a species, wise up a bit we'll be running outa resources at some point and scenes of famine and disease like those in Africa and elsewhere will start to become more common. Man isn't immune to the laws of nature .... just better able to cheat some of them for a while than other species can.

BTW, I didn't see anything obviously wrong with Smoke's observations of varmint numbers .... did I miss something?

Spinner
 
BTW, I didn't see anything obviously wrong with Smoke's observations of varmint numbers .... did I miss something?

Spinner you obviously don't get your ecological data and information from the internet. The end all source for accurate and empiracal data.;)
 
Spending money

Jack rabbits was my spendin' money in High School and College..

They paid 25 cents for black tails and 50 for white tails. They ground them up for cat food.

Never could see what difference the color of their tail made to a cat after they was ground up....

I hunted on the weekends and some nights. Used a Steven Favorite single shot rifle,. sold about 100 to a 150 a week. .22 shells were a penny a round, gas was 25 cents a gallon and beer was 75 cents..

Dang sight better than slingin hash or washin' dishes...
 
When I was at both San Angelo and Ft Huachuca in the mid/early 60's we drove my TR-4 and took turns sitting on the back shooting on the back roads. When I bought a Kodiak .22 magnum semi auto the tally went up. A .22mag is MUCH the better Jack Rabbit potion IMHO,course I wouldn't touch the mangy critters!:)
 
Most of you guys have to know from pictures or antique car shows, but autos used to have the headlights in nacelles atop the front fenders. That setup was wonderful for a guy to sit on the fender, legs locked around the headlight or with bootheels locked into the bumper and chouse jackrabbits around a pasture.

Bragging rights went to the kid who could hit a running rabbit while the car was moving...

:), Art
 
Since no enlightened teachings have come forth, perhaps it falls to me to clarify my statements. I realize that at times, my posts tend to ramble, be incomplete, full of grammatical errors and typos.

My qualifications on matters of ecology….none.

I was raised on my family’s ranch in Bosque County. We hunted Jack Rabbits religiously. I spent the majority of my child hood outside often on the back of a horse.
My education is in Ranch Management and Ag Economics. (Texas Christian University and Texas Tech University respectively)

Throughout the early 80’s, it was quite common to enter a 200 acre Bermuda grass field and shoot 10-12 rabbits and running off countless others before having to move to another field. The 80’s were times of abundant rainfall so forage was plentiful. Rabbits were thick. And the coyote population was at a low point.

Coyote numbers had been in a decline with increased use of Compound 1080 and other predator-control toxicants up until 1972, throughout the Great Plains, when the use of toxicants on federal lands was prohibited. Ranchers put pressure on coyote populations and Government trappers were employed to further reduce numbers. Fur prices were up so hunters and trappers also played a key part in keeping the population in check.

With the abundance of forage through out the 80’s, the rabbit population was on the rise. Increased forage means larger numbers of breeding females and larger litter sizes. Increased rabbit populations meant greater food supplies for predators. Studies have shown rabbits and rodents to be the primary diet of coyotes. Livestock and domestic animals are eaten infrequently.

During the 80’s even with abundant forage, the ranching industry was seeing times of very low profitability, that meant less funds for predator control. The elimination of the use of toxicants along about the same time frame and a depressed fur market meant coyote populations were due for an increase.

Since the coyotes were not under as much pressure as in the past and food was plentiful, their numbers naturally increased. Increased numbers of coyotes translates to increased pressure on rabbits. Hunting pressure probably remained the same on rabbits due to the fact it was simply cheap entertainment.

Now we enter into a cycle of low rainfall during the mid 90’s. Forage is decreasing. Rabbit numbers are declining due to increased predation and lack of food sources. Cattle market is improving so ranchers, in an attempt to make up lost profits, are more likely to overgraze further competing with the rabbit population for food.

Which brings us to the current time frame. Jack rabbits are hard to find around here at this time, although, as I indicated in a previous post, sighting are on the increase. Coyotes are plentiful. No one hunts them for fur, simply for sport and eradication, government trappers are still employed but in lower numbers and with less rancher’s participation.

As to the number of Jack rabbits it takes to equal the forage consumption of a cow, I’d have to say the number between 7 and 15 (both of which I’ve heard before) is very inaccurate. You’ll never convince me that 22 pounds of Jack Rabbits will eat as much as a 900-1000 pound cow. No matter how much higher a rabbits metabolism may be. Grown Jacks are 1.5 pounds on the hoof. Mammals of Texas, TTU Press estimates the number at 128. I feel that is a better number but may still be low.

Double you indicate that rabbits eat a lot that “cattle can't or should not eat.â€

The primary diet of the Blacktailed Jackrabbit in the spring is clovers and lush green vegetation…..sounds a lot like what I cultivate for cattle. In the fall they feed on what green they can find and woody plants and dried grass. Again, they are competing with cattle.

If my rudimentary understanding of ecology seems wrong to you, I again, ask you to educate me. 40 years of just being out there observing the ecology and making a living from it may have me biased.

Thanks for your time.

Smoke
 
I kin tell from his talk..

that Smoke walks the walk because he has been there..

The same story goes for Wyoming too..
 
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