Joe Horn No Billed Thread 2 (no personal attacks here)

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As continued from the first one minus a few personal arguments there.

Although I was skeptical if they would hang him out to dry or not it just proves that we have a big problem, especially in the area of Texas that this occurred.

I for one and GLAD that those dirty SOB's got it. I don't care if it was in the back or the front. I am GLAD that Texas law stood up for the righteous!

As pointed out earlier, would it have made a difference if someone was home or not? I guarendamnteeyou that if you break into my house in the middle of the night you'll be leaving in body bag the next day. You have no control over what people will do in an act to cover their tracks, avoid getting caught, or get rid of anyone that stands in the way, including witnesses.

Weapon or no weapon you have no idea. Weapons can be easily hidden. In addition they were in the middle of a committing a felony, also able to use deadly force to stop under not only Texas law, but most other states as well.
 
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Joe Horn No-Billed

Joe Horn, the hero that faced two robbers who also sported a long record of crimes including drug dealing and deportation due to their illegal status, was no billed today.

Mr. Horn was not charged with a crime by the district attorney and it is surmised that the only reason that his case was presented to the grand jury for political expediency.

Most reasonable people believe that this is a great day for honest citizens and a bad day for criminals in the sanctuary policies of Harris County.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5864151.html
 
Mr. Horn was not charged with a crime by the district attorney and it is surmised that the only reason that his case was presented to the grand jury for political expediency.
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I believe, maybe Bart Roberts or someone can confirm it, but I believe that any time there's a death like this it has to go to the Grand Jury whether the DA wants it to or not. I'm pretty sure I've seen that claim in several places but I don't know for sure.

Somewhere in the bazillion pages of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedures but I'm not smart enough to find it.
 
I personally thought I would have had better off buying lottery tickets than betting on Joe Horn getting indicted by a grand jury.

Personally I think Joe Horn acted outside of the law.

A Harris County Grand Jury is going to have to deal with the most vile and despicable scum of the earth, day after day after day. They can't sleep at night because they wonder who's out there lurking in the shadows. And then there's Joe Horn, a person that they can really relate to. They take one look at Joe and then look at the burglars he killed and they know that justice was served. They know that there's two fewer scumbags that they have to worry about.
 
That may be true.

I remember a few years back when I asked a Travis County Sheriff what the official opinion was of a shooting. A guy was inside his house when his car alarm went off at about 11pm. He walked out and saw a guy run away from his Camaro, door open.

The home owner shot the guy with his deer rifle. If memory serves it was a .270.

The thief was about a block away and the round caught him between the shoulder blades. They theorize that he was dead before he scraped up his face on the tarmac.

My Sheriff friend told me that Travis County was impressed. Moving target at night, a damned fine shot.

Even with this official opinion he had to go before the Grand Jury before he was no-billed.

Apparently the thief had a long record because the home owner recieved a lot of game from policemen for a year or so. They were appreciative.
 
I think the good that would come from this would be for Joe Horn to go on a speaking tour and beg forgiveness and to advise all to refrain from such conduct. He'll be paying the price for the rest of his life. I really don't want him to commit suicide, but I'd like him to attone for his sins and seek redemption.
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hiccups,

Texas law states quite clearly that you can use the same force to protect a 3rd person as your can yourself.

And Thank God for that!



§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person
is justified in using force or deadly force against another to
protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if,
under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force
or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful
interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or
criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection
of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third
person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he
uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent,
or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.
 
And BTW

I would do the exact same thing as Joe. He stood up against lawless thugs while putting himself at risk.

Thank God for Joe Horn.

A true hero
 
He is a hero, the ones he shot were illegals who were about to commit a felony, who knows what else they might have done.

A girl just got raped by an illegal immigrant where I live, after he crawled through her window.
 
Guillermo,

Where does the penal code under 9.41 or 9.42 allow the use of deadly force to stop a burglary or theft of property during the daytime?

There's a big difference between what's right and what's wrong, what the law stipulates, and what grand juries will do.

No legal precedents were set, no interpretation of chapter 9 of the TX penal code was made. Fortunately for Mr Horn, the Grand Jury did what it usually does.

If you find yourself in a similar situation, act as you please. Don't expect the Travis County DA to afford you same courtesy that Harris County showed Mr Horn.
 
The law needs to change and allow for a daytime bagging.

Not to reopen all of the silliness from the other thread, but the question was posed about the propriety of lethal force to prevent mere burglary.

Zap them is my vote. These parasites are not just stealing your "stuff," they are stealing a fraction of your life.

Even with insurance, there is a deductible to pay. That money was traded out of one's finite time in this life. Maybe some of the "stuff" is irreplaceable at any price.

The point is these miscreants are just incremental murderers. Instead of living one's life without their intrusion, or their forcing out a sudden homeowner's insurance deductible instead of the money going for a daughter's swimming lessons, they have stolen that irreplaceable time, and money as time, just as surely as if they had actually taken it out of one's life by beating it out of one's life expectancy.

So if death comes to the burglar, perhaps his colleagues should become more aware of the occupational hazards they face.

And face them they should.
 
A cowardly, inhumane act.

Those boys probably might have received a couple years, maybe less, even in County Jail for their misdeeds.

But no, Joe Horn had to 'execute' them. Disgustingly sad. I grieve for the families and loved ones of the thieves-they're people too! Big f and deal! They took my 'property'. Oh, such a shame! Certainly it's worth snubbing out two lives for your stereo, whatever... INSANE!

Mr. Joe Horn will likely regret deeply what he has done for the rest of his life. A terrible, unconscionable deed. It's truly pathetic.
And what is even more pathetic is those who view their 'possessions' as representative of their 'life'. You sad, sick, ridiculous creatures...

The rest of the country is in an outrage. The rest of the country is NOT Texas. I thank God for that.
 
Those boys probably might have received a couple years, maybe less, even in County Jail for their misdeeds.
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First:
Miguel Antonio DeJesus was 38.
Diego Ortiz was 30.

Are you calling them BOYS as some sort of racial slur? Because we do not appreciate that sort of thing here on THR- it's called "The HIGH Road" for that very reason. In "The rest of the country" (which you point out is NOT Texas) calling an adult male "BOY" is a very specific insult- or is it that you Californians don't treat African-Hispanics the same way everyone else does?

Second:

The fact that those "gentlemen" would have only received a couple years, or less, for their repeated recidivism and violent criminal misdeeds is perhaps one reason that most of the world is glad that they spent the last few moments of their misbegotten lives kicking their heels into the soil.
 
A cowardly, inhumane act.

Those boys probably might have received a couple years, maybe less, even in County Jail for their misdeeds.

But no, Joe Horn had to 'execute' them. Disgustingly sad. I grieve for the families and loved ones of the thieves-they're people too! Big f and deal! They took my 'property'. Oh, such a shame! Certainly it's worth snubbing out two lives for your stereo, whatever... INSANE!

Mr. Joe Horn will likely regret deeply what he has done for the rest of his life. A terrible, unconscionable deed. It's truly pathetic.
And what is even more pathetic is those who view their 'possessions' as representative of their 'life'. You sad, sick, ridiculous creatures...

The rest of the country is in an outrage. The rest of the country is NOT Texas.
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Man, I really, really hope this was meant to be sarcastic.

I can't say I'm condoning his behavior and I'm not calling him a hero...But if you don't want to get killed, don't be a POS and break into someone's house.
 
The punishment should fit the crime. Did the 'punishment' fit the crime? I guess we don't leave things to the courts and the rules of a civilized society, which obviously excludes certain jurisdictions...hhhmmmm

Here, Mr. Joe Horn, that 'wonderful' hero, was judge, jury, executioner...

There was no sarcasm in my post, above.

He's a COWARD, a MISCREANT, and a VIGILANTE.

Some hero, huh? He should do everyone a favor and blow his own brains out! It would be a fitting end to this mess and would be a lesson to our children.
 
Bazooka Joe71 Quote:
Did the 'punishment' fit the crime?

Yep.

Oh, so you are taking up for two thieving scumbags...Nice.

Stay in California...Sounds like you enjoy their policies.
Today 12:21 AM
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Yes, in hindsight I am of the view that the burglars/thieves, whatever, are most definitely morally superior to Mr. Joe Horn. They didn't kill anybody.
 
What are you talking about, Brent?

You're the one who keeps pushing the issue. On the one hand you shed virtual tears for these people gunned down in their prime of life by a villian, and then you casually deliver a racial slur about those same men. Which is it?
 
Yes, in hindsight I am of the view that the burglars/thieves, whatever, are most definitely morally superior to Mr. Joe Horn. They didn't kill anybody.
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Let's see that same logic applied while your daughter is getting brutally raped and you are nearby with a gun in your hand.

Did the 'punishment' fit the crime?
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So I guess you are going to set your firearm down and drop your pants?
 
Instead of your cheap-shot remarks, Evan, why don't you come up with a valid argument? You can't.

IMO, the thieves are morally superior to Mr. Joe Horn, our so-called 'hero'.
At least they may not have died in vain.

The people of the state of texas may in their infinite wisdom decide to change their stupid, barbaric laws.
 
brentfoto:Evan, why don't you come up with a valid argument?
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Because, Brent, I don't need to.
The government having jurisdiction over the area this occurred already examined the case, deliberated, and decided that no further actions were necessary, and that the result was lawful.

I don't need to explain the lawful actions of a citizen of the US to anyone. Except, apparantly, you.
 
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