Joe Horn's 911

[Karma]

Some new details on this incident, in today's Houston Chronicle

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

An undercover officer witnessed the entire shoot, and did not arrest Joe Horn.

Apparently he thought it was righteous.

 

[RPCVYemen]

An undercover officer witnessed the entire shoot, and did not arrest Joe Horn.

Apparently he thought it was righteous.

The second doesn't follow from the first. That claim is from Mr. Horn's defense attorney, who is trying to put some very bad news in a good light.

The story itself indicates that the undercover officer was concerned that Joe Horn might have thought he was the "wheel man". So maybe he just waited for backup, and then let them arrest Mr. Horn. He may very well have not wanted to try confront a man with a shotgun by himself, knowing that the man with the shotgun might very well shoot him.

The fact that both men were shot in the back - if true - does debunk some theories proposed on THR. If I read the newspaper got it right, one burglar was angling away from Horn, and had reached the curb when shot in the back. The other had run into the neighbor's yard (running directly away from Joe Horn) when he was shot in the back.

My nickel bet is that if it goes to the grand jury, being shot in the back will mean an indictment for the 2nd burglar shot, and maybe for the 1st, depending on what "angling away" means.

If what folks from Texas have posted is true, an indictment will be very bad news for Mr. Horn.

Mike

 

[stevereno1]

He was a cowboy, and wanted to kill people. He was in his home, and on the phone with a 911 operator. He should have stayed put, or at least, apprehended the suspects using a firearm, and placing them under citizen's arrest without shooting them in the back. makes us all look like idiots.

 

[MDHunter]

Maybe We Aren't the Idiots...

He was a cowboy, and wanted to kill people. He was in his home, and on the phone with a 911 operator. He should have stayed put, or at least, apprehended the suspects using a firearm, and placing them under citizen's arrest without shooting them in the back. makes us all look like idiots.

Nice of you to judge what he wanted to do, never having met him in person!

And these guys were here illegally, had been convicted of crimes and imprisoned in this country before prior to being deported, and were back again, being sought by at least three govt agencies, but still on the street and committing crimes....

Gee, maybe Joe did the .govs a favor.

 

[gunsmith]

I'll take that bet!

My nickel bet is that if it goes to the grand jury, being shot in the back will mean an indictment for the 2nd burglar shot, and maybe for the 1st, depending on what "angling away" means.

My bet is he will get off 100% not guilty

 

[RPCVYemen]

My bet is he will get off 100% not guilty.

I hope for his sake that you are correct.

If I had to be a $1 right now, I would bet

1. The grand jury will look at two men, shot in the back, and return a bill of indictment.
2. The prosecutor will charge Mr. Horn with a pretty hefty felony - maybe even second degree murder. Unfortunately, some of what Mr. Horn says on the tape could be construed as premeditation.
3. The prosecutor will offer to accept a plea to a lesser charge that includes no jail time - maybe some kind of manslaughter.
4. Mr. Horn will look at his age, what he knows of prison.
5. Mr. Horn will look a police witness who will testify that the men either did not attack Mr. Horn, or had broken off the attack and were fleeing when Mr. Horn decided to shoot.
6. Mr. Horn will decide not to roll the dice, and take the lesser plea.
7. Mr. Horn will be sued for wrongful death.

I don't say this with great glee, and I am not saying it's right. This is just a sad prediction.

We'll see how it plays out.

Mike

 

[NickEllis]

You're kidding, I hope. Again, take your list there, then actually look at the TX legal system, and then try and point out where he broke a law. All this hypothesizing without legal background is just more hot air.

 

[RPCVYemen]

You're kidding, I hope.

I wish I was. I read the statutes - at least as posted on THR.

I'll let my prediction stand.

Mike

 

[MDHunter]

Glenn Beck...

On Glenn Beck tonite (some guest host, who I think was also from TX), they had on a TX Congressman who said that Joe acted in response to citizen's growing frustration with the amount of crime committed by people who are in this country illegally, and he also stressed that both the perps had previously been convicted and jailed in this country for several previous infractions. Then a TX criminal defense attorney got on and said that Joe was well within TX law to do what he did (she cited the three statutes) and said that he did not violate any laws by his actions.

Here's a toast to them both, and to hoping that others down in TX are thinking the same way.