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"You can always tell an Ensign...but you can't tell him much"
Escpecially an Ensign wearing a large Annapolis ring.
"You can always tell an Ensign...but you can't tell him much"
I have the utmost respect for the military,and most of the people in it, but asenine rules like this have no place in military life. I do not agree with, "you join the military, you lose all your rights".
The constitution does not qualify any of it's amendments with, "not for military members" Yes, you are considered on duty 24/7, but you are not a piece of meat nor a 3 year old kid that needs a babysitter. If you do something stupid to prove you DO need a babysitter then that is an entirely different situation.
Our military used to be made up of "citizen soldiers", real people with inalienable rights. Now you're treated like a robot. I've done my service, and now I'm out of this nursery school masquerading as a branch of the military
In my experience (at least in my branch), one is treated according to one's behavior.Now you're treated like a robot. I've done my service, and now I'm out of this nursery school masquerading as a branch of the military
Huh? I don't think so. One is separated subsequent to one proving conclusively that one cannot follow only a few simple rules: show up to work on time, most of the time; do as much of what you're told to do according to your ability (and believe it when I say the benefit of the doubt is almost always given to even those who aren't the sharpest tools in the box); at least try and look busy most of the time during working hours; render forth a modicum of respect (you know, even the occasional salute for an O-1 or the "Yes, Chief" or "Yes, Gunny") towards one's superiors, and finally, present a semblance of military bearing and attempt to not look the dirtbag, especially if you're in a more visible portion of the base ... It's not tough to survive at least one enlistment even if one doesn't commit to a career ...The thing that I've seen in my experience is that when someone does question too much, they are seperated. After being harassed a bit.
(and heavy sigh here) I never, ever felt I'd "signed my life away" to anyone. While on active duty and based for twelve years in the state of Washington, I got nothing but encouragement for being pro-2nd Amendment by my commanding officers and admirals. And yes, most COs are well aware that many in their commands engage in off-duty carry of personal weapons, at least up here in WA.I will not join an organization that controls my off duty behavior in this fashion. I don't willingly sign my life away to people who may become anti-second amendment bigots and strip me of my firearms rights at will like a common criminal,
Art I, Section 8, Clauses 14 and 16:
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively,... and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
What? Really? You don't say ... I've been retired six months. Have things changed that much? At any rate, zerosignal, I am sorry you've had such negative experiences in your short military career. I did not intend to imply that you've been a dirtbag, rather, I meant only that it's really not difficult to successfully get through an enlistment these days ...Sir, I'm quite glad that you didn't have the same experiences that I've had, but as a retired veteran, you came from a completely different service than now exists.
Military service is an authorized exception to any and all other Constitutional considerations.
The UCMJ, enacted by the legislature pursuant to Constitutional authority, does all of the above. The only rights you have, as active duty military, are those specified within the UCMJ. All perfectly Constitutional, despite what anyone may say or tell you.
Then we'll just have to agree to disagree on your constitutional interpretation.
You mean to tell me that a clause of an article takes precedence over the Bill of Rights?
You mean to tell me that a clause of an article takes precedence over the Bill of Rights?[/
Please enlighten us with your recent personal experience as a member of our armed forces so that we may understand how you arrive at this conclusion.Unfortunately, most of the military treats is volunteers as conscript scum scraped from the lowest dives on the waterfront.