Jon Cowan of AGS addresses the DLC to explain how to win the gun vote

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things like requiring background checks at gun shows, fixing the Instant-Check system to make it more instant and accurate, combating gun trafficking, renewing the assault weapons ban -- very basic, sensible policies that have wide support that are also good and effective gun policy.

First off, the "gun-show loophole" is not a loophole. It is no more sensible for me to have to go to an FFL instead of doing an FTF transfer than it is for me to have to go to JC Penney to sell you a pair of secondhand jeans.

I also was with this guy, till he went down the pro-AWB road...
 
Prince Yamato, I don't see a Gun Show Loophole but I am adamantly opposed to the Flea Market Loophole and the Garage Sale Loophole (aka the Tag Sale Loophole) and I simply do not care what anyone else thinks. Far too many goods are sold at flea markets and from people's garages, homes, and lawns. Criminals buy them. Criminals sell them. No one charges or pays sales tax on them, thereby robbing our governments of money desperately needed to fund legislators' junkets.

These unregulated goods include knives that can be used to murder people. They include clocks and watches that can be used to make explosive devices. They include garments that can be used as disguises by criminals. There is no telling what other infernal materials are sold because of these black market operations. They corrupt the youth. And also the young. I have personally witnessed the sale of potentially dangerous devices such as flashlights (which criminals use when robbing people's homes), electric drills (which they use to drill people's safes), and television sets (which they use to study the methods of law enforcement on broadcasts such as Monk, COPS, CSI, and other indiscrete revelations).

I am not opposed to legitimate free enterprise and I do not have any intention of controlling people, but until we get these people under control the problem of crime in this country will remain and increase. The Brady Campaign does nothing at all to stop this senseless behavior and the BATFE ignores it entirely, even though many of these sales include old whiskey bottles, cigarette lighters, toy guns, and pictures of horrible explosions that make my stomach turn. Left.
 
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Oh, Gawd, Robert.

* Snort *

You woke the wife up.

Save the junkets.

(Stifle, stifle, wheeze, sniff, *snort*)

I do not have any intention of controlling people, but until we get these people under control
Priceless!
 
Anyone else notice that the D.C. case is likely to be heard around June 2008 - meaning that this could easily be made into an election issue. No more hiding behind the "I believe in the Second Amendment" without mentioning that the Second Amendment you believe in is a collective rights one. It seems to me like this is a strategy that either party could use to its advantage (especially if the Republican run Giuliani or some other collective rights type).
 
The AGS, as I said, started three years ago, and our goal was this: to carve out a centrist position in the gun debate. As you all know, the debate is incredibly polarizing, one of the most polarizing in the country. You have the NRA on the right and then you have the traditional gun control groups on the left, and neither speaks to where the center of the country is

My test for this guy or any politician who claims to be representing a "center" position on gun control is, "Name ONE gun control law you have OPPOSED." If they are truly interested in being in the middle of this "polarized" debate, there should have been at least a few laws they opposed. After all, "neither speaks to ... the center."
 
If the Dems want to win the votes of gunowners, the task is a simple one: Repeal the following:

The 1934 National Firearms Act - enacted under a Dem President & Congress;

The 1968 Gun Control Act - enacted under a Dem President & Congress;

Title 18, Section 922 (o) - enacted under a Dem Congress;

The Brady Law - enacted under a Dem President & Congress; and

The Lautenberg amendment - enacted under a Dem President & Congress.

If you Dems want to show gun owners that you are serious and truthful, do those things - then we'll believe you. Actually, just doing any one of the first 3 on the list ALONE would be enough - c'mon, you want our votes, don't you?
 
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