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Jonesboro Murderer is free - should he be allowed to own a gun?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by rock jock, Aug 12, 2005.

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  1. rock jock

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    I am just wondering the how 2A purists feel about this guy, who murdered four little girls and a teacher, enjoying the same legal RKBA as you and I now that he is out. Would you have any qualms about him visiting your local gun shop?
     
  2. WT

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    He should NOT be allowed to possess firearms.

    He should be in jail for another 50 years but, obviously that isn't going to happen.

    That said, if he walked into a gunshop that I owned, I would not sell him a firearm. I would make him leave.
     
  3. Kjervin

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    My understanding is that since he doesn't have a felony record, and is now 21, he will be allowed to own firearms. I would hope that learning from his experience with firearms and the consequences of misusing them, that he would not want to own a firearm. I would suspect that he is aware that there are many people out there wanting him to go away for life, so he, assuming he was prudent, would avoid anything that be too contraversial. That said, if it were legal for him to purchase a firearm, I would not be against it, after all there are probably a bunch of people who would be glad to shed his blood, and he has a right to self-defense as well. I wouldn't want to be the one that sold it to him though, and if I owned a gun shop, he wouldn't have one of mine. Let's hope he doesn't try, because if he did, imagine the public relations fiasco: "Arkansas Killer Rearms!!" and the hue and cry for new gun restrictions. ouch!!!
    Kj
     
  4. rock jock

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    Tell that to the parents of the little girls he murdered.
     
  5. cane

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    Let's see, laws he has already broken; 1. Possession of a firearm by person under 18, 2. Possession of a firearm on school property. 3. Conspiracy to commit homicide, 4. Homicide (multiple) Whatever the legal answer is, do you think the "law" will prevent him from obtaining one if he wants it?
     
  6. rock jock

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    No, it is simply a matter of principle. I don't think he should be legally allowed to own a gun (or even breath for that matter). And, if he is found with a gun, I want LE to have the ability to arrest his worthless backside and throw him in jail.
     
  7. boofus

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    Gun rights and voting rights for this dirtbag are a moot point.

    He never should have been released. You do an adult crime, you do adult time. If a 19 year old would get a dirtnap for it, then so should anyone under 18.

    The criminal rights lobby got this murderer off easy with their liberal laws and now they are crying about the more than adequate gun laws.
     
  8. Henry Bowman

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    I disagree. There are plenty of other reasons he should be in jail. He has not yet paid his debt to society (IMHO).

    I agree with Boofus.
     
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    As a matter of principle, he should still be behind bars. So if you're asking for my answer based on principles, then the question is meaningless, because there's no excuse for him being out of prison. My answer is mu. As a practical matter, though, society has decided he's paid his debt, so yes, he should be allowed to own guns. I, personally, don't want him to have guns, but that's also true of a lot of people I know who haven't done anything wrong, and I wouldn't dream of denying them their RKBA.

    This, however, isn't a good argument even in principle. Just because you feel someone wasn't punished enough for a crime he did commit doesn't mean it's legitimate to invent crimes for him so we can put him away again.
     
  10. HighVelocity

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    Given his history I have no doubt that he will continue to make poor decisions and He will meet his demise quickly once released.
     
  11. scubie02

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    Well, he says he wants to be a minister. Maybe he does, and maybe he truly is reformed. The Bible teaches that you will be judged in the manner you judge others. Therefore if you are unwilling to forgive him, God will then not forgive you your sins when you some day stand before him.

    Do I think the way the law works in this instance is right? Probably not. At the very least he should probably be on probation for a certain amount of time. Maybe he shouldn't be allowed guns, I don't know. If you are asking do I think its possible for someone to repent and be reformed? Yes, I do. Its the basis of Christianity and, once upon our time, of our legal system--in fact, and not just in words. If thats not the case, perhaps it would be better to just execute all criminals who commit a felony, rather than pretend they will be able to rejoin society some day.

    If they really thought this guy was a menace, they don't need to let him roam free just because they have to release him from prison--the state could keep him in a mental insitution indefinitely. They can take anybody and put them in a mental insitution for 72 hours of observation, and then after that just sort of keep you indefinitely if they want to. If they are letting him loose, they must not be properly convinced he is a further threat.

    There have been lots of instances in history where somebody did something fairly heinous as a youth but then reformed and lived a worthwhile life. If I am remembering correctly, even in the case of the Crime of the Century, a somewhat analagous situation perhaps, this was the case? Didn't Leopold eventually get out and become a dr? Seems like I remember something to that effect.
     
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    Here's the thing. A free man has a right to keep and bear arms, because a free man has a right to his life, and therefore a right to protect his life with whatever means are reasonable and available. Now, it is a separate question entirely whether or not he should be a free man. When you commit murder, you have, in justice, forfeited any reasonable expectation of continued liberty in all things, and belong in jail for the rest of your life, or dead at the end of a rope.
     
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    I will simply thank the last six posters to this thread.

    I was, for a moment, beginning to despair of our membership here. Thanks for restoring my hopes.
     
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    I question whether he should be allowed out of prison at all, but definitely not so damn soon! Just because he happened to be under 18 at the time doesn't mean he didn't know what he was doing.
     
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    The question, for me, is irrelevant. He shouldn't be out of jail.
     
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    Sure, give him a gun. Maybe it will increase his chances of getting shot. ;)

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    I have qualms about a lot of people owning guns - heck, everybody but me, in fact... I'm the only one that I trust :p

    Really, the chances of this kid doing something like that again are likely pretty low - and if he does, then he will just steal the gun(s) like he did the first time. :rolleyes:

    I am much more concerned about the organized crime of the government than I am about any freelancers. :uhoh:
     
  18. BeLikeTrey

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    I agree if society has deemed his debt paid...

    I would also wonder whether he would even want to touch a gun as at the ver least would increase scrutiny of him. I doubt he would want one... But, having said that, if he is allowed then we cannot deny him. To do so would help the cause of the very people we try and fight on a daily basis. Just remember he ain't in school anymore. If he tries those shenanigans again his carcass will be lying in a ditch to be sure. He aint in the "safety" of school anymore. He's now out on the streets with citizens, who have chosen to do their civic duty and ensure the safety of theirs and those around. (people like the population of this very site.- and a nice friendly note to that effect might be a good deterrent) :evil:
     
  19. Too Many Choices!?

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    Question answered in the Constitution...

    Just because we don't like the outcome of the situation does not mean we can seek revenge. The system failed on this one and that is that. This human vermin now has ALL rights that you and I have. To deny him the 2A would be unConstitutional. I would still like to see the bastich drawn and quartered.
     
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    His debt hasn't been paid. The law that let him out of jail is messed up. He should be in prison until he's old or dead. A mass murderer is not a juvenile delinquent. He should never own a gun.

    He's one of those guys who fell through some crack in the legal system. Like if there's a serial killer, the police go into his house and find all kinds of evidence, but the police didn't have a correct warrant or something and so all the evidence is thrown out, and the serial killer gets to walk and there's nothing anyone can do about it within the law. It sounds like in this case there is a loophole in the law. Really, there should be a possibility of murderers of any age being tried as adults. It sounds like that may not have been possible under that state law. 13 and 11 year old boys may not have the maturity of adults but they know that killing is wrong with a capital W. This guy is not a reformed adult now. He will never be reformed. I bet that before his time here is over he will murder again.

    People who commit felonies should have to go through a reasonable review process to own a gun. The review should take into account many factors, including the nature of the crime. For a crime like unprovoked murder, that should eternally bar someone from access to guns.
     
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    I'm sure the good folks of Jonesboro will take care of the problem in good time, without spooking the horses.............. :evil:

    Yanus
     
  22. cuchulainn

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    Well, Sara Brady and Michael Barnes don't think so, FWIW ;)

    http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=51560
     
  23. MrTuffPaws

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    Nice cop out and appeal to emotion there.
     
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    May be some one will mistake him for a deer during deer season :)
     
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    So, this leads me to ask, if someone commits a crime, gets caught, is sentenced to prison of X amount of years, serves his time, and then is released, should he still be punished for that crime via a criminal record?

    No where do the courts say, you are sentenced to 20 years in prison, after you get out, you will then be punished by removal of some of constitutional rights for the rest of your life.
     
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